Jonbenet Ramsey Murder Found

[daclassicgamingmaster]

Nickspoon, read the article. He admitted to killing her


I agree, but capital punishment is perfect for when it's PROVEN to be them. ie: they confess, or are discovered such as son of sam or charles manson.

 

[TelcoLou]

My post was meant to provoke some thought ... those who are against capital punishment, i.e. a state/county/country/etc. death penalty, would you be able to witness a loved-one's murder/rape/assault and simply hold down the perpetrator while the police arrive, wait patiently while the trial plods on, and be satisfied with life in prison after wintessing first hand what this monster did to said loved one?

I know I couldn't.

 

[iignotus]

My post was meant to provoke some thought ... those who are against capital punishment, i.e. a state/county/country/etc. death penalty, would you be able to witness a loved-one's murder/rape/assault and simply hold down the perpetrator while the police arrive, wait patiently while the trial plods on, and be satisfied with life in prison after wintessing first hand what this monster did to said loved one?

I know I couldn't.

Like I said, they're two topics completely different. Most people don't come face-to-face with the crime's perpetrators during the act, especially not something like a kidnapping. However, I would say that if I caught a visibly armed person anywhere on my property, especially if I don't know them or they have no reason to be there, I would kill them and there would be no morality issue for me.

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

you have heard, that if you kill your intruder, in some cases his/her family can sue you. LOL what a joke.

 

[TelcoLou]

you have heard, that if you kill your intruder, in some cases his/her family can sue you. LOL what a joke.

... is there any wonder why I'm so fucking cranky? :angry:

 

[nickspoon]

Nickspoon, read the article. He admitted to killing her

I meant it as an example, stupid.

And if I find some bloke breaking into my house, I wouldn't hesitate in attacking him. Unless he was rather large.

 

[Angel]

i have to agree, i have means of killing someone if they intruded into my house and to protect my wife and son, i'd have no problem using those means.

BTW: Classicgamingmaster, just because he admitted it doesn't mean he did. I'm not defending him, but you have to remember, his ex-wife has already provided him with an alabi that he wasn't even in the same state at the time of the murder. you need to wait for some more developements before conclusions are jumped to.

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

i have to agree, i have means of killing someone if they intruded into my house and to protect my wife and son, i'd have no problem using those means.

BTW: Classicgamingmaster, just because he admitted it doesn't mean he did. I'm not defending him, but you have to remember, his ex-wife has already provided him with an alabi that he wasn't even in the same state at the time of the murder. you need to wait for some more developements before conclusions are jumped to.

of course, a case this large usually attracts nutjobs . There is absolutely no guarantee that he did do it; HOWEVER, the point is, he admitted to killing her, so capital punishment should be in order. No one is convicting him on poor evidence, he confessed, so off with his head! His problem for confessing to something he didnt do.

 

[TelcoLou]

i have to agree, i have means of killing someone if they intruded into my house and to protect my wife and son, i'd have no problem using those means.

BTW: Classicgamingmaster, just because he admitted it doesn't mean he did. I'm not defending him, but you have to remember, his ex-wife has already provided him with an alabi that he wasn't even in the same state at the time of the murder. you need to wait for some more developements before conclusions are jumped to.

of course, a case this large usually attracts nutjobs . There is absolutely no guarantee that he did do it; HOWEVER, the point is, he admitted to killing her, so capital punishment should be in order. No one is convicting him on poor evidence, he confessed, so off with his head! His problem for confessing to something he didnt do.

Well, I disagree ... he may just be legally insane, looking for sorely needed attention. However, he has a past history of possesing child porn and was arrested in Thailand for molestation charges (I think) .. this alone warrants a violent death for him IMO.

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

I figured I'd post back here as I just read the paper.

It seems as though he was picked up due to a confession while talking to a journalist who was over here in the states. They still believe he is indeed innocent, as many things he say dont make sense...He commented saying he had picked the child up from school that day and accidentally killed her later on. But JonBenet was killed over X-mas break.


Im beginning to believe this guy is indeed crazy. His story makes no sense.

We'll see.

 

[LHC]

Consider: were you to kill this man, and afterwards find overwhelming evidence of him being innocent, you'd have an injustice that could never be withdrawn. Whereas, with prison, you could simply let him out. That is the real presiding reason that I don't believe in the death penalty. iignotus' idea of locking him in a small room would more than suffice.

If I was an innocent person, locking me in a small dark room indefinitely would be equally unjustified. I may even go as far as to say I'd rather be killed.

Nickspoon, read the article. He admitted to killing her


I agree, but capital punishment is perfect for when it's PROVEN to be them. ie: they confess, or are discovered such as son of sam or charles manson.

A lot of people admit to a lot of things. It doesn't mean they did it.

 

[iignotus]

Consider: were you to kill this man, and afterwards find overwhelming evidence of him being innocent, you'd have an injustice that could never be withdrawn. Whereas, with prison, you could simply let him out. That is the real presiding reason that I don't believe in the death penalty. iignotus' idea of locking him in a small room would more than suffice.

If I was an innocent person, locking me in a small dark room indefinitely would be equally unjustified. I may even go as far as to say I'd rather be killed.

Anyone who admits to kidnapping, raping, and murdering a little girl, whether telling the truth or not, deserves to be removed from society, at least if only temporarily to investigate the truth in what they say.

 

[LHC]

Consider: were you to kill this man, and afterwards find overwhelming evidence of him being innocent, you'd have an injustice that could never be withdrawn. Whereas, with prison, you could simply let him out. That is the real presiding reason that I don't believe in the death penalty. iignotus' idea of locking him in a small room would more than suffice.

If I was an innocent person, locking me in a small dark room indefinitely would be equally unjustified. I may even go as far as to say I'd rather be killed.

Anyone who admits to kidnapping, raping, and murdering a little girl, whether telling the truth or not, deserves to be removed from society, at least if only temporarily to investigate the truth in what they say.

That isn't the same as capital punishment though is it? I never said we should ignore what they say and not investigate them. daclassicgamingmaster however, said that if somebody confesses to something then they are proven to have done it and the death penalty is a worthy punishment.

 

[daclassicgamingmaster]

Consider: were you to kill this man, and afterwards find overwhelming evidence of him being innocent, you'd have an injustice that could never be withdrawn. Whereas, with prison, you could simply let him out. That is the real presiding reason that I don't believe in the death penalty. iignotus' idea of locking him in a small room would more than suffice.

If I was an innocent person, locking me in a small dark room indefinitely would be equally unjustified. I may even go as far as to say I'd rather be killed.

Anyone who admits to kidnapping, raping, and murdering a little girl, whether telling the truth or not, deserves to be removed from society, at least if only temporarily to investigate the truth in what they say.

That isn't the same as capital punishment though is it? I never said we should ignore what they say and not investigate them. daclassicgamingmaster however, said that if somebody confesses to something then they are proven to have done it and the death penalty is a worthy punishment.

for a crime like this, yes, i believe it is.

 

[LHC]

For a crime like this you may be right. The death penalty may be a worthy punishment.

That isn't the issue though. If somebody says they have done something it doesn't mean they have. A confession alone can't be solid ground for a conviction. In this case, already there are doubts over this confession, and if I was arrested in Thailand I'd probably end up giving a false confession given the record of thai police. He said he took her from school on boxing day. I've never been to school on boxing day, have you?

 

[nickspoon]

Consider: were you to kill this man, and afterwards find overwhelming evidence of him being innocent, you'd have an injustice that could never be withdrawn. Whereas, with prison, you could simply let him out. That is the real presiding reason that I don't believe in the death penalty. iignotus' idea of locking him in a small room would more than suffice.

If I was an innocent person, locking me in a small dark room indefinitely would be equally unjustified. I may even go as far as to say I'd rather be killed.

But it's reversible, isn't it? Capital punishment isn't. It can, therefore, be put right, should strong evidence be found to the contrary of the decision.

 

[LHC]

Consider: were you to kill this man, and afterwards find overwhelming evidence of him being innocent, you'd have an injustice that could never be withdrawn. Whereas, with prison, you could simply let him out. That is the real presiding reason that I don't believe in the death penalty. iignotus' idea of locking him in a small room would more than suffice.

If I was an innocent person, locking me in a small dark room indefinitely would be equally unjustified. I may even go as far as to say I'd rather be killed.

But it's reversible, isn't it? Capital punishment isn't. It can, therefore, be put right, should strong evidence be found to the contrary of the decision.

"Put right"? It seems laughable to me the idea that having X years of your life stolen because of a wrongful conviction could ever be "put right".

I am not anti-punishment by the way, although it may look like it.

 

[nickspoon]

If I was an innocent person, locking me in a small dark room indefinitely would be equally unjustified. I may even go as far as to say I'd rather be killed.

But it's reversible, isn't it? Capital punishment isn't. It can, therefore, be put right, should strong evidence be found to the contrary of the decision.

"Put right"? It seems laughable to me the idea that having X years of your life stolen because of a wrongful conviction could ever be "put right".

I am not anti-punishment by the way, although it may look like it.

OK, you'd have X years of your life stolen, but that would be better than having every year of your life stolen.

 

[LHC]

Stolen in a small dark room is not as bad as stolen in a regular prison cell. You made it sound like they should be put in solitary confinement, which would be worse than death if you remained there long enough.

 

[WarmFluffyUK]

Stolen in a small dark room is not as bad as stolen in a regular prison cell. You made it sound like they should be put in solitary confinement, which would be worse than death if you remained there long enough.

Sorry but a killer should be given that exact treatment, Solitary! I think also we are thinking of this through old eyes, forensic science has caught up with killers and rapists now. It's almost impossible to get the wrong person these days.