It is possible to port Ikemen?

[Xcl4m4t10n]

Hello people,

Just here trying to learn a little more about the huge "port-world" . I was wondering if Ikemen can be "easily" port in theory to pandora. As I can see at the .txt it use:

glew32.dll, libfreetype-6.dll, libogg.dll, libvorbis.dll, libvorbisfile.dll, lua52.dll, SDL2.dll, SDL2_image.dll, SDL2_ttf.dll, zlib1.dll

As far that i know, all these libraries are compatibles. Also it use LUA, but the thing that disconcert me is that there's no Linux port yet available. I don't know if it is because it is a non-well known software or whatever, but nowadays is the more advance and compatible MUGEN clone that exist.

I am pretty curious in order to know if a theoretical port would be possible, at least, for Linux, optimal, for Pandora. And yes, I know that "everything" is portable and blah, blah, blah, but you know, i am talking a relative easy port ;D.

EDIT: Ops, the website:

http://sourceforge.jp/users/supersuehiro/pf/ikemen/wiki/FrontPage

 

[levi]

No, everything is not portable.  Without source, nothing can be ported, except by doing an extremely expensive static conversion (such as Notaz did with Starcraft).  And so far nobody's done that with a windows program, as far as I know (Starcraft used the DOS version).

However, if I've found the right 'Ikemen' it looks like we do have source, albeit fairly windows-centric source, so until someone cares enough to port it to Linux, and then to Pandora (adjusting keyboard inputs and so on), it's not going to happen.  But I note there is a 'port to Linux' ticket open on its sourceforge page, so you never know.

 

[TrashyMG]

No, everything is not portable.  Without source, nothing can be ported, except by doing an extremely expensive static conversion (such as Notaz did with Starcraft).  And so far nobody's done that with a windows program, as far as I know (Starcraft used the DOS version).

However, if I've found the right 'Ikemen' it looks like we do have source, albeit fairly windows-centric source, so until someone cares enough to port it to Linux, and then to Pandora (adjusting keyboard inputs and so on), it's not going to happen.  But I note there is a 'port to Linux' ticket open on its sourceforge page, so you never know.

 Well to be fair to the argument it is difficult to do what Notaz has done, but there never was a DOS version of Starcraft or Diablo... He is using an ARM version of WINE to handle the Windows bits for his recompilation.

Edit: Noticed that 3xcl4m4t10n has added a link to the source...

 

[ptitSeb]

It use GLEW, so I guess it's an OpenGL software (so glshim will be needed).

Based on SDL2, so the windows -> linux shouldn't bee too difficult, but the File loading section may have to be adapted.

I looked (quickly) at the source forge site, but, I must ask... what is ikemen???

 

[levi]

And to answer the predictable follow-up question for people like me, Mugen is a freeware closed source windows 2D fighter engine.

 

[pmprog]

We have a port of PainTown

According to the PainTown site, it has a MUGEN engine. I don't know if the Pandy build has the MUGEN engine in, or even how to use it. It's one of those things that I've been meaning to check out for a loooong time...

Edit: Still, I wouldn't argue against having Ikemen and would definately be on my list of "things to try"

 

[edgex004]

We have a port of PainTown


According to the PainTown site, it has a MUGEN engine. I don't know if the Pandy build has the MUGEN engine in, or even how to use it. It's one of those things that I've been meaning to check out for a loooong time...


Edit: Still, I wouldn't argue against having Ikemen and would definately be on my list of "things to try"

Yeah, but sadly the implementation of MUGEN engine on Paintown is very poor. To get an idea, the Paintown engine can run correctly between 10-20% of mugen creations meanwhile Ikemen can run mostly the 100%.

Is this compatibility based on the Pandora port of Paintown? We have version 3.4ish which supposedly only had MUGEN support 80% done.

I wonder if we can get the Super Smash Bros mod running...

 

[edgex004]

We have a port of PainTown


According to the PainTown site, it has a MUGEN engine. I don't know if the Pandy build has the MUGEN engine in, or even how to use it. It's one of those things that I've been meaning to check out for a loooong time...


Edit: Still, I wouldn't argue against having Ikemen and would definately be on my list of "things to try"

Yeah, but sadly the implementation of MUGEN engine on Paintown is very poor. To get an idea, the Paintown engine can run correctly between 10-20% of mugen creations meanwhile Ikemen can run mostly the 100%.

Is this compatibility based on the Pandora port of Paintown? We have version 3.4ish which supposedly only had MUGEN support 80% done.

I wonder if we can get the Super Smash Bros mod running...

I read that % and personally I think it is pretty wrong. Basic characters like the ones based on One Must Fall 2097 have big issues. Other more complex like DragoClaw are impossible to play with .

Have you tried the more recent releases of paintown on you desktop to see if compatibility has improved? If so, perhaps we should ask sebt3 if he can update his port.

 

[pmprog]

I tried building a "recent" (recent at the time, though this was a while ago now) version, but I didn't succeed.

 

[edgex004]

Hmm... Too bad.

 

[pmprog]

I tried building a "recent" (recent at the time, though this was a while ago now) version, but I didn't succeed.

Wo, what a bad news But thank you for try it. Are the source code outdated? Because the last binary is from some days ago.

Not quite sure what you're referring to here. PainTown for the Pandora was built in 2011, and has v3.4.0.
The PainTown site refers to v3.6

 

[pmprog]

Sorry, crossed wires. PainTown

I've never actually seen Ikemen, though when I get some free time, I'll try and have a look, but I wouldn't hold my breath

 

[sebt3]

Not quite sure what you're referring to here. PainTown for the Pandora was built in 2011, and has v3.4.0.

The PainTown site refers to v3.6

I can upgrade the package is there's a high demand

 

[pmprog]

Not quite sure what you're referring to here. PainTown for the Pandora was built in 2011, and has v3.4.0.

The PainTown site refers to v3.6

I can upgrade the package is there's a high demand

I've just tried some SF3 chars in the Windows build of PainTown, and they are really broken, but they work fine in Ikemen, so it's probably not worth it.
Thanks for offer though

 

[pmprog]

Hey pmprog, i am not at home now but i am just curious, did you try the Mugen 1.0 and Winmugen to compare results? As i can remember the Winmugen version had an issue only with the palettes (the real issue was on the DOS version, none on the Linux but the people assumed the issue) but can't remember if it have something to do with the gameplay. If not, i am going to try it later at home and compare both version of the characters to compare the results .

Mugen 1.0 didn't work at all (characters wouldn't load), where as Winmugen versions loaded, but fireballs didn't move, and it got stuck in an infinite loop causing zero damage on the brief test that I did.
Ikemen is definately the way to go for 1v1 fighters (at least, based on the lastest official windows binary releases)

 

[ptitSeb]

That certainly help @3XCL4M4t10N . I'll take a look in a few days.

 

[___]

yay! I' ve been wanting a decent mugen implementation for years. The only versions I ever really played were on dreamcast homebrew and xbox. Hope it can be done with ikeman! thanks for looking into this.

 

[ptitSeb]

So I took a close look at this.

I still can't find linux Makefile for it, but I go without. I just find it strange.

Main issue is with ssize engine (found here http://bzr.osdn.jp/view/ssz/ssz/changes). There is JIT (aka dynarec), that is non-optionnal and x86 only. So don't expect anything soon