Gordon Brown Becomes Prime Minister

[Goity]

And talking of pulling troops out of iraq ! Which he won't if those pricks keep bombing us.

You're doing one of two stupid things here.
1. Equating Iraqi with terrorist.
2. Assuming that we would have been bombed had we not got involved.

So, you're an idiot. Plus, we could do with some foreigners. Some of our lower-level industry is in quite short supply. Of course, this might mean a few out-of-work Britons, but I don't think that's as much of a problem as the Tories would like us to think. Personally I think it would be nice if you weren't considered a 'foreigner' and therefore somehow different and not there to be helped unlike the righteous British, and that we should expect the same treatment in other countries.

You are wrong. Iraq is on the axis of evil therefore all of its citizens are terrorists and all terrorists are its citizens duh!

Bloody foreigners! If they can do a better job than me for less money they should be deported! Stealing all our jobs; none of them work you know! All of them just steal our jobs and spend their entire lives being unemployed dolies.

 

[moz]

And talking of pulling troops out of iraq ! Which he won't if those pricks keep bombing us.

You're doing one of two stupid things here.
1. Equating Iraqi with terrorist.
2. Assuming that we would have been bombed had we not got involved.

So, you're an idiot. Plus, we could do with some foreigners. Some of our lower-level industry is in quite short supply. Of course, this might mean a few out-of-work Britons, but I don't think that's as much of a problem as the Tories would like us to think. Personally I think it would be nice if you weren't considered a 'foreigner' and therefore somehow different and not there to be helped unlike the righteous British, and that we should expect the same treatment in other countries.

You are wrong. Iraq is on the axis of evil therefore all of its citizens are terrorists and all terrorists are its citizens duh!

Bloody foreigners! If they can do a better job than me for less money they should be deported! Stealing all our jobs; none of them work you know! All of them just steal our jobs and spend their entire lives being unemployed dolies.

goity are you from Hull?

 

[DaveC]

Plus, we could do with some foreigners. Some of our lower-level industry is in quite short supply. Of course, this might mean a few out-of-work Britons, but I don't think that's as much of a problem as the Tories would like us to think. Personally I think it would be nice if you weren't considered a 'foreigner' and therefore somehow different and not there to be helped unlike the righteous British, and that we should expect the same treatment in other countries.

That doesn't turn out well. The US is already going through that. Illegals and legal immigrants have flooded the country for cheap work. Big corporations love it, they can fire all of those that want to make a decent paycheck to do things like, you know feed their families and pay the bills. In their place they hire cheap and many times illegal workers. They use the same excuse here "well they do lower end work that Americans don't want to do, we need them". That is a load of rubbish. When the unemployment rate reaches 0 then they can say that. Until then it is just big corporate fat cat propaganda. They want to keep the money all to themselves. The more workers you have the lower ALL of the pay becomes until you are a country of working poor. Supply and demand.

 

[slashank]

When the unemployment rate reaches 0 then they can say that. Until then it is just big corporate fat cat propaganda.

So are you saying, everyone between the age of 21 and 60, in the United States of America, are employable?

 

[LHC]

Plus, we could do with some foreigners. Some of our lower-level industry is in quite short supply. Of course, this might mean a few out-of-work Britons, but I don't think that's as much of a problem as the Tories would like us to think. Personally I think it would be nice if you weren't considered a 'foreigner' and therefore somehow different and not there to be helped unlike the righteous British, and that we should expect the same treatment in other countries.

That doesn't turn out well. The US is already going through that. Illegals and legal immigrants have flooded the country for cheap work. Big corporations love it, they can fire all of those that want to make a decent paycheck to do things like, you know feed their families and pay the bills. In their place they hire cheap and many times illegal workers. They use the same excuse here "well they do lower end work that Americans don't want to do, we need them". That is a load of rubbish. When the unemployment rate reaches 0 then they can say that. Until then it is just big corporate fat cat propaganda. They want to keep the money all to themselves. The more workers you have the lower ALL of the pay becomes until you are a country of working poor. Supply and demand.

They aren't "American" jobs; they are the jobs of the company owner. If a foreigner is willing to work for less money, and often harder then they probably deserve the job more. It's up to the business to decide who to employ.

As you say, supply and demand.

 

[nickspoon]

That doesn't turn out well. The US is already going through that. Illegals and legal immigrants have flooded the country for cheap work. Big corporations love it, they can fire all of those that want to make a decent paycheck to do things like, you know feed their families and pay the bills. In their place they hire cheap and many times illegal workers. They use the same excuse here "well they do lower end work that Americans don't want to do, we need them". That is a load of rubbish. When the unemployment rate reaches 0 then they can say that. Until then it is just big corporate fat cat propaganda. They want to keep the money all to themselves. The more workers you have the lower ALL of the pay becomes until you are a country of working poor. Supply and demand.

As LHC has said - if foreign workers work harder for less pay, American workers will have to be more competitive. Remember that the foreigners also live in the US, and therefore have the same living requirements as any American 'citizen'. Once you work out that your current position is by no means stable, then maybe you'll be able to compete. If that happens, America becomes a more competitive country overall, trade increases and everyone is happy.

If a descendant of a native American driven out hundreds of years ago wants a job in their homeland, who are the current occupiers of that homeland to deny them that? Hm?

 

[Goity]

That doesn't turn out well. The US is already going through that. Illegals and legal immigrants have flooded the country for cheap work. Big corporations love it, they can fire all of those that want to make a decent paycheck to do things like, you know feed their families and pay the bills. In their place they hire cheap and many times illegal workers. They use the same excuse here "well they do lower end work that Americans don't want to do, we need them". That is a load of rubbish. When the unemployment rate reaches 0 then they can say that. Until then it is just big corporate fat cat propaganda. They want to keep the money all to themselves. The more workers you have the lower ALL of the pay becomes until you are a country of working poor. Supply and demand.

As LHC has said - if foreign workers work harder for less pay, American workers will have to be more competitive. Remember that the foreigners also live in the US, and therefore have the same living requirements as any American 'citizen'. Once you work out that your current position is by no means stable, then maybe you'll be able to compete. If that happens, America becomes a more competitive country overall, trade increases and everyone is happy.

If a descendant of a native American driven out hundreds of years ago wants a job in their homeland, who are the current occupiers of that homeland to deny them that? Hm?


We could all do with more casinos.

 

[DaveC]

So are you saying, everyone between the age of 21 and 60, in the United States of America, are employable?

No I am saying that until everyone that can work and wants a job has one, the whole "we need cheap illegal workers" is a load of crap. That myth is perpetuated by big business that *wants* cheap workers.

As LHC has said - if foreign workers work harder for less pay, American workers will have to be more competitive. Remember that the foreigners also live in the US, and therefore have the same living requirements as any American 'citizen'. Once you work out that your current position is by no means stable, then maybe you'll be able to compete. If that happens, America becomes a more competitive country overall, trade increases and everyone is happy.

If a descendant of a native American driven out hundreds of years ago wants a job in their homeland, who are the current occupiers of that homeland to deny them that? Hm?

Yeah but "more competitive" just translates into "work longer hours and take a huge pay cut". If that sounds OK to you then sure let anyone come and work cheap that wants to, even if illegal. If you are one of the "lucky" ones you will not be fired and only get the pay cut. Can you "compete" with someone in China that will work for $4 a day? Do you want to have to?

This is why in the US the government doesn't do anything to stop the flood of illegals from comming in. (they could end it tomorrow, just slap fines on a business that hires illegals) This government is all about big profits for big business though. They could care less about the welfare of the citizens already here. The result is the slide of the standard of living for most of us while the top tier of big business is getting mega rich. The gap between rich and poor is bigger now than ever. Haliburton and Exxon mobil execs pull in multi-million dollar paychecks while the rest of us scratch around enough money to survive.

If you regulate the number of workers then you can make sure the pay for them and the standard of living doesn't go in the crapper.

 

[Ganepark32]

Some how i dont think he was referring to casinos there. But thats just the way the world is turning out. People can't say the word 'Islamic' without mentioning 'Terrorist.' Likewise, Americans can't mention Native Americans without mentioning casinos. Personally, i think what happened in america with the white man taking the land of the natives was wrong and I do believe that they should get that land back for whatever purpose they want to use it for. However, that is not possible what with most of the big-wigs having built entire cities on land owned by natives. Just look at Miami. That was a large native settlement that is now covered with buildings not belonging to them.

This problem is likely to happen over here in the uk as well. What with the influx of immigrants coming over for cheap work, you also get the ones who are coming over and buying up the land for their own use and up here in scotland you get them coming over and abusing the free education system for universities and colleges. Its just not right. That should be something that gets sorted out. I dont mind migrant workers but when they are doing what they are doing, abusing the systems we have in place for better educations and such, its just not on.

 

[slashank]

This problem is likely to happen over here in the uk as well. What with the influx of immigrants coming over for cheap work, you also get the ones who are coming over and buying up the land for their own use and up here in scotland you get them coming over and abusing the free education system for universities and colleges. Its just not right. That should be something that gets sorted out. I dont mind migrant workers but when they are doing what they are doing, abusing the systems we have in place for better educations and such, its just not on.

I really don't think its fair to blame the migrants for this. As long as the system allows them to do what they are allowed to do (that which you call abuse), they will do it. As will you. The migrant workers have no control over the system. You do. If you need to, blame the system and try to change it. Pass laws that will disallow migrants from getting free education.
Everyone in this world, just like you, want to 'pursue happiness'. Everyone will take as much as they can from what they are allowed; the migrant workers are no different.

 

[peelie]

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