Anecdote time: I once observed a soul who was complaining about people who were helping out people using Linux, because a couple of them had voiced (perfectly legitimate) gripes with Microsoft Windows, and the way business was being conducted around it at the time, in the process of doing so.
im not biast towards one or the other, but I do get annoyed when any bashes a system they dont use just because they prefer another.
That's the excuse that was used at the time. However, the Linux interfaces pre-installed at the time on those netbooks was very little different to the basic interface of iOS now - some big icons and some programs that do what you want (in the case of the netbooks, their intended purpose was *basics*, and they did this well)... You don't see legions of iPhones, Android devices, etc., getting returned because people using them are already used to using something else.
Nobody's done that in this thread, though - they've bashed nothing and voiced legitimate gripes, and you've fruitlessly tried saying "I like Windows Phone. Such and such does something I think is similar so you should complain about that instead.", when it wasn't even relevant or accurate...dont get me wrong I love linux, but I also like windows and I also like MACs
Where's my option to buy a Linux netbook, then? Oh, wait...
That's the excuse that was used at the time. However, the Linux interfaces pre-installed at the time on those netbooks was very little different to the basic interface of iOS now - some big icons and some programs that do what you want (in the case of the netbooks, their intended purpose was *basics*, and they did this well)... You don't see legions of iPhones, Android devices, etc., getting returned because people using them are already used to using something else.
you can already buy linux netbooks if you look around the web. This move (lockout) by microsoft does not cut you off from linux netbooks and anyway even if they do lock it down, its not like it wont be hacked and the lock bypassed as with anything else that tries to be locked out.
Completely serious.
But these simply weren't accessible on those netbooks unless you went out of your way to unlock a full Linux installation on them, so it just doesn't apply. There was no disc drive either, so you'd have to go out of your way to install those programs, too, back in the very early days of the things.That's the excuse that was used at the time. However, the Linux interfaces pre-installed at the time on those netbooks was very little different to the basic interface of iOS now - some big icons and some programs that do what you want (in the case of the netbooks, their intended purpose was *basics*, and they did this well)... You don't see legions of iPhones, Android devices, etc., getting returned because people using them are already used to using something else.
Similar maybe but not the same, u cant compare a linux install on a netbook to be anything like iOS im afraid, another reason is previouse library of software they might have downloaded or baught for their old windows PC which does not exists or doesnt work on linux or means getting technical with wine etc to make it work.
I cannot see anyone doing that in this thread. I've followed it right through from the start... Where is the bashing?
I understand that. However, the ramifications go *far* beyond tablets.what I was mearly suggesting is that although it doesn't specificaly state in microsofts lockout; IMO most ARM windows 8 devices will probably be in tablet form since thats the "IN" thing at the moment. Once you move from that point you can then compare it to things like the iPad which is also locked out, (basiclly microsoft trying to emulate apple with lockouts), which means dont complain too much (you can complain by all means) since apple already do it, infact they beat microsoft to the lockout
Where? In the UK, please, so I don't have to go paying ludicrous fees if I spend more than £18 on it.
And new, of course, not used.
Where? In the UK, please, so I don't have to go paying ludicrous fees if I spend more than £18 on it.
Where? In the UK, please, so I don't have to go paying ludicrous fees if I spend more than £18 on it.
Um, no... I asked if there was any problem installing what I would want to use on the device you linked to, and whether I would end up eating the cost of an OS I don't want and would remove upon receipt, as is my problem with these things with Microsoft Windows pre-installed...
(I got conned by that bit in the Microsoft Windows Vista EULA that basically claims "You can get a refund if you don't want this bundled OS" once. Never again. Wouldn't buy Lenovo again, either, since they were extremely unhelpful about it, too.)But they were, and now they aren't.
(Quite strangely, after Asus suddenly dropped what helped them lower the price of the Eee PC line like a hot potato in favour of something that pushed the prices up...)Thanks.Where? In the UK, please, so I don't have to go paying ludicrous fees if I spend more than £18 on it.
http://www.linuxempo...oducts/laptops/
There's only one listed, though, and it's out of stock. Alas. Lenovo never offered a Linux option for that machine, so it seems you'd have to eat the cost of Microsoft Windows even if you didn't want it, just from buying here, hence the very high price. If the option had been available outright at the IdeaPad S10's release (it wasn't, unfortunately), that cost could probably have been avoided.
It's 12.1 inches, which is one inch less than my MacBook is, so sadly a bit too big. (And the point still stands that these aren't natively available with Linux anymore - that company buys them with Microsoft Windows and removes it, and then ups the cost further in order to profit. I could do that myself, but the thing is, I don't want to be paying for an OS I will never even boot!)
sorry
. Some people actually pay for this garbage when the trial period ends. The companies that produce this garbage pay manufacturers to pre-install their trial software knowing that some people will pay for it. The amount that these companies pay to have their garbage pre-installed on your OS is approximately the same as the cost of Windows. So when you buy a new computer, you aren't actually paying anything for the license, all that trial software gets you a "free" copy of Windows. Many years ago, I believe it was HP that did the Linux laptop experiment: instead of Windows, you could get a laptop with a branded version of Ubuntu pre-installed. Unfortunately, no one has paid software for Linux that would be worth a pre-installed trial edition, so there was no companies to subsidize the cost, thus the Linux laptop cost the same as the Windows laptop. A little bit more as I recall, actually. The reviews for the Linux Laptop were full of "don't buy this, buy the Windows version and install Ubuntu on it. It's cheaper and you get a free copy of Windows you can dual boot into if you need it". And then the Linux Laptop was dropped.
