Really ... why ? All your doing is converting them to a different media form . So does this mean mean Nintendo is breaking the law when they rerelease Super Mario bros on virtual console ?Not in my opinion; in many countries the act of "format shifting" a cartridge you own into a ROM file is unlawful... Downloading a ROM image is unlawful. The emulators aren't doing anything unlawful, but by running commercial ROM images on them you most certainly are barring a very few more permissive countries. I know, I live in one of them.And yes, I have written my own emulators so I'm pretty well-versed on their legalities thanks.D.What do you mean with "illegal stuff" ? I don't see how Drastic does anything illegal. Are Snes, Nes, C64 and whatnot emulators doing anything illegal in your opinion?I suspected as muchIt's kind of ironic that emulating the illegal stuff is actually easier than the homebrew ;-) Thanks for considering it though.D.
DraStic Nintendo DS emulator teaser video
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Exophase
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I didn't test it for performance but I did confirm that it's using the 3D engine.
ekianjo
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Thanks for the answer - very clear.
So, does this mean that most likely, full speed will not be obtained for most games with frame-skip on the CC or Rebirth Pandoras, but only on the 1 Ghz ones? If that is the case, too bad, but it provides a good reason to upgrade, though
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I wouldn't quite say that. I've tested some good games that don't use 3D at all and can run fullspeed with no frameskip even at 600MHz, or are close to it and will probably reach it with more optimization. I haven't started optimizing the 3D or geometry code at all. I've also encountered plenty of games that use the 3D engine for 2D in a very straightforward way - if I detect this type (it's not that expensive) and use optimized NEON code to handle it as a special case it'll be much faster than even an optimized generic 3D renderer. Some games use this sort of 3D as the only thing on one screen, with no 2D at all. These may not be too slow in the long run. And this is all still figured without frameskip.Thanks for the answer - very clear.
So, does this mean that most likely, full speed will not be obtained for most games with frame-skip on the CC or Rebirth Pandoras, but only on the 1 Ghz ones? If that is the case, too bad, but it provides a good reason to upgrade, though
And of course this isn't considering the important fact that most CC Pandoras can overclock to at least 850MHz, if not 900MHz or even higher.
Until I do the optimized 3D I can't even give a vague idea of how slow it'll be for intensive 3D games. If there's a huge load frameskip will make a huge difference, and a lot of decent games will still be enjoyable even if you're throwing out half or more of the frames - of course that's highly subjective.
Don't let me discourage you from upgrading though, it will certainly help.
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MarTinazzI
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if you make the program run perfectly on a k6 II 500, an intel i7 will have no problems running it. =)
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Why is because it requires making a copy. If you don't own the copyright you are not allowed to make a copy, even for format shifting. In some places, I mean, many (most?) countries specify format shifting in their copyright exceptions and fair use.Nintendo doesn't have to worry about this because they own the copyright and can make as many copies in whatever format they want.
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Tested my CC unit right when I got it back then, and the max. clock speed I could set it to was 870MHz, above that it was very unstable.
So much Ds games I never saw before (and I saw pretty much of them already).
So much new games I have to play, so much old games I want to play again.
This system was my childhood.
@ Exophase:
At the 13.th of February I have my lase exam at University. Please DO NOT release DraStic before that date.
MarTinazzI
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I think that every owner of a Pandora suffers from the same problem =)@ Exophase:
At the 13.th of February I have my lase exam at University. Please DO NOT release DraStic before that date.
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ekianjo
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THanks for the clear answer Exophase. Since it will probably take a long time before you can optimize the different parts of the emulator, do you plan to release a first PND sometimes soon so that we can already try out the 2D games that should work well? Or would you rather release something more complete, later?I wouldn't quite say that. I've tested some good games that don't use 3D at all and can run fullspeed with no frameskip even at 600MHz, or are close to it and will probably reach it with more optimization. I haven't started optimizing the 3D or geometry code at all. I've also encountered plenty of games that use the 3D engine for 2D in a very straightforward way - if I detect this type (it's not that expensive) and use optimized NEON code to handle it as a special case it'll be much faster than even an optimized generic 3D renderer. Some games use this sort of 3D as the only thing on one screen, with no 2D at all. These may not be too slow in the long run. And this is all still figured without frameskip.Thanks for the answer - very clear.
So, does this mean that most likely, full speed will not be obtained for most games with frame-skip on the CC or Rebirth Pandoras, but only on the 1 Ghz ones? If that is the case, too bad, but it provides a good reason to upgrade, though
And of course this isn't considering the important fact that most CC Pandoras can overclock to at least 850MHz, if not 900MHz or even higher.
Until I do the optimized 3D I can't even give a vague idea of how slow it'll be for intensive 3D games. If there's a huge load frameskip will make a huge difference, and a lot of decent games will still be enjoyable even if you're throwing out half or more of the frames - of course that's highly subjective.
Don't let me discourage you from upgrading though, it will certainly help.
In the meantime keep up the good work
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Exophase
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More likely the former than the latter.
Looking at the GAF list is just overwhelming. I haven't tested the vast majority of those games! I'd like some people to help me get a better feeel for things.
Looking at the GAF list is just overwhelming. I haven't tested the vast majority of those games! I'd like some people to help me get a better feeel for things.
ekianjo
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Yeah, releasing an early version will help getting lots of feedback and testing done.
Exophase
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I haven't tested it personally, but there are at least some comparisons you could make from youtube videos. For instance this one:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UR_HHZ-mGto?feature=oembed
Kindle Fire is a 1.2GHz Cortex-A9 so faster than the 1.2GHz DM3730 notaz tested on (particularly where floats are used, and bearing in mind that desmume can multithread the 3D emulation) but the performance difference should be pretty obvious - the video here also shows a massive amount of frameskip. Looks like a little over half speed there. This is for a game that has at least some 3D, for pure 2D games it'll be more exaggerated.
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notaz
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"36 frames per second"What's wrong with frame counters these days, that's 4-5 fps at most in that video.
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