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Azure posted on Mar 8 2005 at 01:49 AM said:
Many people have already donated to Yoyo in hope of him spending more time in the GP32 scene than the Zodiac or Palm scene, but it appears that those efforts were of no avail.
Then those people donated for the wrong reasons. You should donate to show appreciation for something a coder has already done, not for what you hope (expect?) they will do. When you walk into a shop and hand over money for a game, are you paying for that game or the one that will be developed next?
 
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My general intention is to donate to the devvers who's software I actually use... crazy eh?

In reality the only emu that I use all the time is LittleJohn, so Yoyo got a donation. I used to use fSMS32 and fGB32 quite a bit and was poised to donate to Ryleh but got cheesed off with the saves being lost and so stopped using the emus. I'm sure that when newer versions of fSMS and fGB get released I will go back to using them and will then donate. I use SpeccyAl K quite a bit but decided to donate time rather than money and so wrote a bunch of docs for _tyrell_

Until now I have not really used DrMD but have followed the development with interest. When the next release comes out I will probably use it quite a bit and so Reesy will get a donation.

What I'm getting at is there are two ways of looking at donations: donating to encourage the devver or donating to say "thanks" to the devver. I prefer the latter. Kudos to the devvers behind GPEngine, Castaway, Frodo, Atari800 - they are very good emulators... but I don't use them, so I don't donate. Maybe someday I will use them and their respective authors will be "thanked".

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I don't know about you guys, but I'm still disappointed that half (Maybe more?) the work that is contributed is left half-complete. Yes, people are doing it out of their own free will for no money at all, but it's not like they are making something that is complete, which is why I'm not donating, yet. If someone just comes into the scene and starts working on something that seems really awesome and has potential, and then drops all of it, leaving you with a half-completed work, is it reasonable to say that that person deserves a donation? I don't think so. I'm thanking someone with my money for contributing something that only runs at 60% speed? How is this justified? Why would you donate money to something? To thank that person for his/her hard work? What if someone worked his/her ass off day and night for 1 year on a project, and it turned out to be a huge disappointed? Are you still going to give him money? Maybe if that person worked even harder to complete the work, then I think it would be appropriate to donate, but that's not always the case. And I know that coders are already working their asses off on their projects (I can only hope that Yoyo is doing something constructive with OS9XGP), but it's like thanking someone for making a PSX emu for the GP that runs at 1 fps without sound and that has low compatibility. What are you going to do with this emu? Spend hours, maybe days while you try to get out of Reactor No. 1 of FFVII?

Though this is just me ranting here about something that I've felt for a long time but kept inside myself for the sake of being positive and polite...
 

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Projects are started by developers for so many reasons eg, Is it possible, How far can i push this baby etc, and ended for as many reasons Bad/negative feedback, They take on too much etc.

What about the stuff we do have.

Castaway (st emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

DrMD (Saga megadrive emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Little john (Nes emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Sms32 (Saga master system emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Zxgp32 (ZX Spectrum emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Gpengine (PCengine emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Scummvm (LucasArts Game interpreter), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

None of the above are and probably never will be perfect, But they are good enough to get the job done, Which is to play THAT systems games on the move.

Are any of thoughs not worthy of a donation ?

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trooper posted on Mar 8 2005 at 05:16 PM said:
What about the stuff we do have.

Castaway (st emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

DrMD (Saga megadrive emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Little john (Nes emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Sms32 (Saga master system emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Zxgp32 (ZX Spectrum emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Gpengine (PCengine emulator), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

Scummvm (LucasArts Game interpreter), Is that not usable, Good compatability and speed ?.

None of the above are and probably never will be perfect, But they are good enough to get the job done, Which is to play THAT systems games on the move.

Are any of thoughs not worthy of a donation ?

Trooper
Castaway - Not a big Atari ST fan. ALWAYS had trouble trying to get Castaway to work, I eventually gave up. So, I don't really care for Castaway since I must have used it only 2-3 times, and during those times I was trying to get it to work. The whole thing was just too confusing for me to care (Especially controls), so I was just like "fuck it."

DrMD - Sound speed is still slow and needs to be improved. Some sounds are still missing, which gets really annoying (How about all the sound being muted every time you kill someone in Golden Axe?).

Little John - Pretty much perfect, in my eyes, but I don't crave for NES enough to warrant a donation (It would also be to Yoyo, and I'm currently not too fond of sending money his way).

SMS32 - I remember many games didn't work and I believe sound was kind of loud and scratchy. And, just like with the Atari ST, I'm not too big of a fan of the SMS.

ZXGP32 - I never tried the Spectrum and I don't plan too. Seems way too dull and not really exciting. When I think of the Spectrum, I immediately think of a group of consoles that I just tend to bundle together because I find them all uninteresting and too weak when it comes to sound and graphics (Yeah, I know they were pretty crazy back then, but I still can't find them acceptable). That, in case you might ask, would be consoles like the Colecovision, Atari (All 3), Spectrum, MAME (Seems like the only thing that we'll be able to emulate well on MAME will be VERY old games that belong in this category with consoles like the Spectrum and the Colecovision), Commodore 64, Intellivision, MSX, etc.

Gpengine - Already said that some games didn't work. Saving also isn't supported, which is a REAL bummer. And I must have tried at least 5 different dumps of Military Madness, but none worked.

Scummvm (LucasArts Game interpreter) - Never really played all these LucasArts adventure games, so I don't really care for the emu. And, IIRC, it was a bitch to set up, just like Castaway. I also always have a hard time obtaining the games.
 
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Bingo Jesus posted on Mar 6 2005 at 11:09 AM said:
Then I got into Zelda on fGB, since then my interest has never waned, it has only got stronger (I finished Soleil on DrMD last weekend, and when version 2 comes out I'm going to play Phantasy Star IV.)
I have v1.0 & I've been playing Phantasy Star IV for the past 2 months. The problem I had before was that at higher clockspeeds it crashed randomly, but I simply run it at 144Mhz now and it doesn't crash anymore. It IS slightly slower (I don't know why; the frame rate is still very high), but it's certainly very playable and after a while I completely stopped noticing the slight slowdown.


Azure posted on Mar 8 2005 at 01:49 AM said:
I know that the coders are doing it for free and out of their own free time, but they are what make up the GP, making it a bit more appropriate for people like me to be a little depressed with how incomplete previous works have been. If I was given a guarantee that my money given to a coder would churn out a specific result in an emulator, then I would donate. But, given the current circumstances, I don't feel like a SNES emu running at 50-60% speed with sound should get my donations, especially considering that the author seems to be more interested in more powerful handhelds than our now out of shape GP. Many people have already donated to Yoyo in hope of him spending more time in the GP32 scene than the Zodiac or Palm scene, but it appears that those efforts were of no avail.
Try playing "Donkey Kong Country" on OS9xGP v0.3 beta. It runs fullspeed on a lot of levels at FS 1 or 2 (see my review here).

DrMD - Sound speed is still slow and needs to be improved. Some sounds are still missing, which gets really annoying (How about all the sound being muted every time you kill someone in Golden Axe?).
Why don't you try a few more games? :angry: Most of the games that I've tried work VERY well, and the sound is NOT slow except in Sonic/Toejam & Earl games (and a few others). go here (my review of DrMD) for some games that work well (at bottom of page).

SMS32 - I remember many games didn't work and I believe sound was kind of loud and scratchy. And, just like with the Atari ST, I'm not too big of a fan of the SMS.
Everything that I've tried on it worked, fullspeed. :huh: The sound does have a minor crackling bug about 20% of the time, but really it's not that hard to ignore. There are a few good games for SMS/GG, like Shining Force for example.

It seems that you're just expecting everything to work for you on the first go and if it doesn't you're not willing to try something else that WILL work. :rolleyes:
 
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cozmic posted on Mar 6 2005 at 10:58 AM said:
The Gp32 has the biggest bang for a buck. period.


Um no, a used Xbox with a softmod (free to do, dont even have to open the system) has the biggest bang for the buck. You can pick one up for around $100, and can fit ungodly amounts of games and emulators on them. I myself have about 1100 games on my STOCK hard drive, this includes NES, SMS, GG, GB/GBC/GBA, Genesis (also plays Sega CD), SNES, PC Engine (also plays PCE CD's), Neo Geo, MAME, PSX and N64 games. Also I have quite a few homebrew's and PC ports as well. Most of these play perfectly or near perfectly, full speed with sound... to the point that you wouldn't know you weren't playing the actual game on the actual hardware, and there are many more emu's than the ones I personally have on mine. And I still have about 2GB to spare on the stock harddrive... Upgrade to a bigger HD and that box will pack enough entertainment to last you thru to retirement (movies, full retail xbox games, full PSX games, or anything else that was on a CD can just be thrown onto the HD). Also, IMO the Xbox homebrew scene makes the GP scene look like a drop in a bucket. Much of the better GP stuff can also be found on the Xbox as well. Not to mention you also have the actual Xbox games themselves to play on it. It really is just a dumbed down, very cheap PC that conveniently hooks up to any TV (who needs a 19" monitor when you can play on your big screen??) and comes with a sweet controller for you to play from the comfort of your own couch.

I never even played my xbox that much and it was the least favorite of the three systems for me, but after finding out about the softmod it is easily the system I play the most now, and the one I'd take with me if I could only take one.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to talk down on my GP 32 :D it's definately a sweet little system and is the handheld equivalent of what the Xbox is among the home consoles, but at $200+ for a BLU with at least one SMC, it's still pretty pricey as well, and with the PSP and DS out and you KNOW they will have tons of homebrew and emulation in time, I couldn't say the GP is the best bang for the buck.
 
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Actually, the best bang for the buck is a PC custom-built by yourself. PC's do everything well, and they are as powerful as you can afford them to be. And unlike other things, they're almost infinately upgradeable, as in future-proof.
But, laptops and pocket pc's are expensive, so they aren't a great value.

I couldn't afford a gaming laptop, so I got my gp32_console, the best bang for the buck in portables :) .
 

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bast525 posted on Mar 9 2005 at 03:07 AM said:
cozmic posted on Mar 6 2005 at 10:58 AM said:
The Gp32 has the biggest bang for a buck. period.


...it's still pretty pricey as well, and with the PSP and DS out and you KNOW they will have tons of homebrew and emulation in time, I couldn't say the GP is the best bang for the buck.
Yeah but I would still rather play emus on my GP than the DS. The screen is too small for me and doesn't have enough resolution to emulate alot of systems. The PSP is another story, it all depends on if they can crack the DRM on that one. If they can it would be great, if not than I will use the PSP for regular games, and the GP for emus.
 
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waitaminit. you can get a used xbox with a softmod for $100??? are you for real or did you just mistype that? cause if so that is pretty crazy. i remember a coupel years ago you had to shell out like $350 for a modded xbox (probably new, but still)

even so. yeah okay the "ultimate"solution is a PC, or PC type device, but the GP32 still wins for me cause it's just completely self-contained. Sure you can play any game on god's green earth ever on a modded xbox/PC, but can you shove that in your pocket? I don't really have the time to sit down with games and stuff these days, but it's nice to have it an arm's length away. that never gets old, and kind of makes up for the compatibility for me (besides, there's WAY more than enough quality games that play perfectly on the GP32, across any of the systems it supports) Quality beats quantity anyway.

I dunno. Like i said before.. GP32 is a weird scene, and you never know what's gonna come out next. Half the fun is just watching the scene really, they keep pulling things out of it at the oddest times and that's the most fun part about it. No other emulation scene has really been like that, for me.. except maybe MAME in it's heyday..

as for the disappointed whiners - that's cool, you are not satisfied with your purchase.. sell it on ebay and go check out another scene, I am sure there's something out there more suited to your tastes. It's too bad you don't appreciate, but then, it's not really for everyone is it, and I can't begrudge you that..
 

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Esn posted on Mar 9 2005 at 02:52 AM said:
I have v1.0 & I've been playing Phantasy Star IV for the past 2 months. The problem I had before was that at higher clockspeeds it crashed randomly, but I simply run it at 144Mhz now and it doesn't crash anymore. It IS slightly slower (I don't know why; the frame rate is still very high), but it's certainly very playable and after a while I completely stopped noticing the slight slowdown.
I think I've been misinterpreted, when I said I'd wait for version two it was when I thought the saves wouldn't be compatible between version one and two, but since I have seen Reesy say that he would make the saves compatible. So essentially I started Phantasy Star IV last night, it looks very promising.
 
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you know... real bang for the buck is better measured on an individual basis, because it really depends how much money you have or can/want to spend. Of course a PC will always be more capable than Xbox or GP or whatever, but it will also cost more... so if you're in the market to spend that much than yeah of course a PC is the best deal for this kind of thing.

Or for someone looking specifically for a handheld system (travel a lot... don't pay your electric bill regularly... older sister always hogging the TV) then the GP would probably fit the bill better :p :D .

But I still say a softmodded Xbox is hard to beat for around $100, for all that it can do it really is an amazing bargain, half the price of a GP, even less compared to any PC even the cheapest $300 E-machines. I haven't checked in on the latest developments but last I checked they were just about to release a full fledged web browser for the Xbox. You can also run full Linux on the Xbox, as I understand it will behave exactly like a PC running linux, meaning you can fully install even retail Linux apps/games. It is basically a PC and can do just about anything a 600+Mhz PC with a Gforce 3, 64MB of ram, four USB ports and no winblows to slow it down could do.


Ralp99 - I think you misunderstand the concept of the softmod. Softmodding is when you crack an Xbox thru software hacking, w/o using any physical modchip... when you say a $350, premodded Xbox, that's with a modchip installed (actually premods go for about $250 right now for a new Xbox with mid level modchip). So when I say you can get an xbox like that, what I mean is, you can go and buy a used Xbox from someone for roughly $100-125 from the classifieds or whatever, then softmod it yourself... relatively easy for anyone to do, you don't have to open the Xbox at all to do it, and you can do it to just about any Xbox (the older the better though).

Once softmodded, the unit behaves pretty much exactly like an Xbox with a modchip, only for $50-100 less :)
 

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Azure posted on Mar 9 2005 at 02:11 AM said:
[Castaway - Not a big Atari ST fan. ALWAYS had trouble trying to get Castaway to work, I eventually gave up. So, I don't really care for Castaway since I must have used it only 2-3 times, and during those times I was trying to get it to work. The whole thing was just too confusing for me to care (Especially controls), so I was just like "fuck it."

DrMD - Sound speed is still slow and needs to be improved. Some sounds are still missing, which gets really annoying (How about all the sound being muted every time you kill someone in Golden Axe?).

Little John - Pretty much perfect, in my eyes, but I don't crave for NES enough to warrant a donation (It would also be to Yoyo, and I'm currently not too fond of sending money his way).

SMS32 - I remember many games didn't work and I believe sound was kind of loud and scratchy. And, just like with the Atari ST, I'm not too big of a fan of the SMS.

ZXGP32 - I never tried the Spectrum and I don't plan too. Seems way too dull and not really exciting. When I think of the Spectrum, I immediately think of a group of consoles that I just tend to bundle together because I find them all uninteresting and too weak when it comes to sound and graphics (Yeah, I know they were pretty crazy back then, but I still can't find them acceptable). That, in case you might ask, would be consoles like the Colecovision, Atari (All 3), Spectrum, MAME (Seems like the only thing that we'll be able to emulate well on MAME will be VERY old games that belong in this category with consoles like the Spectrum and the Colecovision), Commodore 64, Intellivision, MSX, etc.

Gpengine - Already said that some games didn't work. Saving also isn't supported, which is a REAL bummer. And I must have tried at least 5 different dumps of Military Madness, but none worked.

Scummvm (LucasArts Game interpreter) - Never really played all these LucasArts adventure games, so I don't really care for the emu. And, IIRC, it was a bitch to set up, just like Castaway. I also always have a hard time obtaining the games.
Seems to be that there are a lot of good emulators out there but you seem to think instantly theyre crap because you said previously a certain game wouldnt work (bad rom) and on the Megadrive/Genesis all because theres not a sound when you hack someone in Golden Axe you think the emulators half complete ? Like someone else said try some other games, plenty to choose from.

CastAway is a brilliant emulator and has some very very good games for it which work very well. Eg Stunt Car Racer and many many more. Somehow you cant figure out how to use it so you just give up , its very easy to use and one of my favourite emulators. Great games can be found on the net for it and theres tons.

DrMD is brilliant, a few bugs here and there but on the whole it works very well. I love Golden Axe but dont really mind if a sound or two is missing.

LittleJohn is also very good, HUGE range of NES titles. Not sure why you dont like to use this more , specially all the Mario games etc

sms32 is another one with great games, yet again you arent a big fan of it for some reason. Considering the GP32 is used mostly for emulation i'm stunned you dont like trying any of these old systems.

zxGP32 - Well this just sounds like a joke. You've never tried it and you dont plan to ? WHY ? Are you saying millions in the UK are wrong about this ? In my lifetime i've had a Spectrum/Atari ST/Gameboy/Megadrive and others but those 3 are emulated on the GP32. Thanks to emulation i can now try out the 'hated' C64, some Konami classics on the MSX, some older games on the Atari VCS and 800 and also console classics on the NES and Master System.

How can the spectrum be dull ? Much like the C64 it bought a HUGE generation of people into computer games and i actually like the more 'basic' versions of Bombjack and Commando and other games. Considering the Spectrum had just 48k its amazing some of the games out there.

How can you find it 'uninteresting' if you've hardly tried it ? Its like an american moaning about the rest of the world when they havent even got a passport to leave the country. (no offence to americans). Its like me saying 'i dont like chinese food' yet i havent tried it or i've tried one dish and then think the rest is all crap as well.

As for MAME i'm currently playing Breakthru, Star Force, Bombjack, Jailbreak and MANY other great games. Straight away you seem to write it off as its only going to play 'VERY old games that belong in the category as 'some old crap' you might as well have said as thats the way you make it sound. MANY people here much prefer the earlier great games of the arcade machines than the current ones. Plus the GP32 can obviously only do the earlier games as its not powerful enough to play the latest ones. Again what do you want ? The latest arcade games all emulated ??? Come on.

I do find your replies really pretty stupid.

You moan about youre fed up of the GP32 etc yet you wont try half of the emulators as you instantly think theyre no good, you arent keen on the Megadrive emulator because 'a few sounds on Golden Axe wont play' and all because you cant figure out a simple emulator like Castaway you instantly give up on that.

Yes graphics and sounds are a lot more simpler on the Speccy/NES and Master System and others, eg Atari VCS but so what ? The thing about games is PLAYABILITY. Yes you could have souped up graphics and sound on a Playstation II game but for many many of us here we prefer the retro style of games as gameplay was #1 back then not whizzy 3d graphics and some amazing soundtrack.

Most of us here were bought up on old computers/consoles and we love playing the games still. I really dont get your comments as theyre pretty poor generally. Its like a spoilt kid throwing their toys out of the pram. Yes the emulators arent perfect, yes they havent all got a 300 page readme.txt to help out 'certain people' and yes you might have to try more than 5 games on a particular emulator to enjoy some of them but jesus what do you want ?

I'm not surprised you seem to be fed up with the GP32 as i cant believe any single programmer of any emulator out there could please you enough !!!!

Unless you have some perfect 100% emulator with pixel perfect graphics, perfect sound, an easy readme.txt and some amazing games you wont be pleased at all ! Some of your comments about games on the Spectrum, MAME, SMS and NES etc are laughable. You sound like a spoilt brat

I pay a lot of tax in England and also council tax. Not every single road i travel on is fixed yet i pay my taxes, sometimes theres rubbish down my street, why doesnt the council who i pay money to instantly fix this ? I pay a ton of tax every month just so that single mothers at 18 years old with 5 kids can live on welfare, people who dont bother working i help support the lazy gits because of my tax and so on and so on. My TV sometimes goes wrong yet i paid good money for it ? I paid for Microsoft Windows yet it keeps crashing ? Why should i pay for it when its not working that well ? And so on and so on.

You seem to think you should only pay money if somethings perfect. If thats the case i wont give money to any cancer charity as i'll wait for them to find a cure then i'll send them money.

You do seem to live with a blinkered view of the world totally !!!

At the end of the day nothing is perfect, not everyone will be pleased but when many people such as Franxis and Ryleh to name but a few basically do this for free we cant complain that much and the more complaints they read they'll just get disillusioned and think "f*ck it i cant be bothered anymore" when people start to nitpick. If i released something free to the community and only 'asked' for donations (which i didnt receive many) i would be p*ssed off like anything when someones whining about little errors here and there yet they didnt even say thanks with a small donation.

Sorry to rant on so much but after reading every one of your posts in this forum it just drives me mad and its quite laughable reading some of them.

P.S What on earth is in your signature ? Doesnt make sense ? Sounds like an argument between two people who cant talk english.
 
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Well, he could at least be honest and say, "I'm too cheap to donate for stuff i'll get for free anyway" instead of inventing all those excuses.

"I don't donate for the SNES emu because it's not perfect"
"I don't donate for the Megadrive emu because the sound is not perfect"
"I don't donate for the NES emu because it is perfect but I don't play it"

Who gives a crap?
Donate. Or don't. Stop discussing about it. Same goes for all the people with "Donated $XX to reesy, you should, too!". I mean, who cares how much money you donated to anyone?
 

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Y'know, it's a funny old thing - different people have different reasons for playing different systems. I've probably played Spectrum games (via Speccyal K) more than anything else on my GP32 but I have barely touched Frodo. This might be because I used to have a Spectrum as a kid... but I also had an Atari ST and I rarely use Castaway.

Prior to owning my GP32 I had never played a NES game but I now play NES games almost as much as Spectrum ones. Why? Dunno.

Castaway, Atari800 and Frodo are fantasically accomplished emulators. I actually find myself feeling guilty that I don't use them more often. I keep putting them back on my SMC but then taking them off because I never use them and need the space. Apparently I'm the only person in the world that doesn't care in the least about MAME running on the GP32 but at the same time I am *really* looking forward to a full speed Lynx emu.

So as I said - different people want different things. Had I bought my GP32 to play SNES games I'd be gutted that OS9xGP has been pretty much abandoned. However, I bought mine for the Spectrum and GB emus and as such I am over the moon witht he thing. :lol:

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Same here Johncross85 (nice avatar by the way !)

I play Spectrum games tons on the GP32. By the way havent you tried Rylehs spectrum emulator, fzx32 ? Much quicker listing all the filenames and most +3 games work. Much much better than Speccyal K.

Because of emulators its actually opened up a whole new world for me, emulators for different machines i can try, emulator for the rival C64 and its been quite good comparing some of the games. Some are better on the Speccy some the C64.

If you can find the Pompey Pirate games for the Atari ST (3 or 4 of them in one single game download) some of them are brilliant and brings back a ton of memories on those sort of games.

Ha ha you should try some of the MAME games though, theres many i havent known about but enjoy trying. Thats what i try to do on most emulators, download a bunch of games and go through them, keep the favourites.

Yes on one hand it helps if you are from that generation, so i can kinda (only a tiny bit) see why he hasnt bothered with Speccy or other emulators BUT like i say i didnt have a NES or C64 and other machines but i enjoy trying other games on other emulators

Surely people who bought a GP32 did a bit of research before they got one ? I saw there was a Speccy emulator for it, a fair few others, yes i knew SNES was too slow but i bought a GP32 for all the other emulators. Having MAME recently and i presume others in the future will be a bonus.
 

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This is actually a very interesting topic and I thought I would chuck my 2 pence into the fray.

Not all developers need, want or ask for donations (I don’t for one) and offering donations ‘when the emu is perfect’ is a little odd and lets be honest a load of BS as you donate as a thankyou for what has been done, not a bribe for more work to be done ;).

I somehow doubt that the cash would flow into devs pockets like rain if a full speed SNES emu. appeared despite peoples bluster (and what is it about all the bragging rights on donations to projects?).

If you like something somebody has done tell them, simple as that. Offer to help with the readme's if you don’t think there any good, setup a compatibility site or FAQ, write some reviews, offer CONSTRUCTIVE comments, test, help in there forums. Anything like that is worth more to some of us the cash and really does help to build a community around the project and move it forward.

Azure posted on Mar 9 2005 at 03:11 AM said:
ScummVM (LucasArts Game interpreter) - Never really played all these LucasArts adventure games, so I don't really care for the emu. And, IIRC, it was a bitch to set up, just like Castaway. I also always have a hard time obtaining the games.
I think it is a bit unfair to raise the issue of obtaining the games as a reason to slag a project as a whole. There are many, many ways to get the games and not all of them are dodgy by a long shot (most of my own games came from charity shops, bundles etc. and cost me much less then £5 per game). Ok, so I speak about ScummVM and I know ROMs are another thing all together but I find it odd to blame the port for your Google/eBay/shopping shortcomings ;). Also, so what’s hard about putting files in a folder and browsing to it from a GUI then :D.

psj3809 posted on Mar 9 2005 at 11:10 AM said:
A few basically do this for free we can’t complain that much and the more complaints they read they'll just get disillusioned and think "f*ck it i cant be bothered anymore" when people start to nitpick. If I released something free to the community and only 'asked' for donations (which I didn’t receive many) I would be p*ssed off like anything when someone’s whining about little errors here and there yet they didn’t even say thanks with a small donation.
Touché, some of the mails and PM’s I have had about stuff I have worked on really make me think ‘f*ck you’ and for a long time the GP32 may as well have been in the bin for all I could care about releasing anything I was working on for it (hense other work on Xbox projects, ARM embedded stuff etc.). Some very nice recent mails and discussions (and an interesting new possibility on a semi-commercial project I am involved in) have changed that view and I am again actively working on my projects but there done to my time-frames and if you don’t like it your welcome to muck in and help things move along or STFU :D.
 
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ooookay, let's not flame azure to death completely here (even if he is kinda being, well, frank)

he does represent a certain type of GP32 gamer who obviously didn't get what he was expecting when he bought this system. And there's always been a certain air around here with a certain type of gamer. And that's not wrong, becuase that type of gamer is the sort who's always been sucked up into excitement and hype - which is something thats always been HUGE in the whole game industry scene. Problem is, at the end of the day, the GP32 scene doesn't quite pander to that sort, at least not as they're normally used to. I can understand why people get frustrated around here, for every 50 happy campers there's one guy who can't quite figure out how to boot past a title screen, setup windups properly, or appreciate the sheer eloquence of a game like jumpman jr or sopwith.

and i honestly don't thnk these sort can really eb shown the error of their ways, they grew up in a different generation, they don't appreciate the blockiness of a 2600 space invader or the goddawful chunky but loveable music of a slime world game (ok had enough name-dropping yet?) Might as well sit any of us down and try to make us listen to old radio serials from the 50s, the magic is completely lost on us but our folks (or grandparents) can remember when that was just about the coolest thing ever.

It's a generational thing, and a device like the GP32 has kind of a broad crossover appeal. That's actually pretty impressive if you think about it.

I don't care for Azure's attitude towards the developers, but he isn't outright saying "fuck you it sucks," he's just kinda saying "it's not for me, I am not interested,.." That's fine. if you love SNES but don't want to fiddle with an equally impressive machine which is already being emulated well (DrMD or Castaway, GpEngine, etc) then really it's your own loss, but I can't blame you for being ignorant. For every guy like him that's fed up, I am sure there's an occasioanl fellow here and there who gets tired of waiting "for that snes emu" and fire up one of the more obscure ones to see what it's all about, and then "holy shit I never realized Atari 800 was so cool!"

Anyway. I am sure the dev's know overall that they are apreciated, at this point - between the oh-so-controversial donations and of course the kind coments usually sprinkled through threads every time an emu/HB is released or updated. And really, if you do enjoy something, DO drop a line to say thanks, at the very least - a friendly email or something, even just a message.. esp. a little after the heat has worn off and the release has been out for a little while (and not just as a guise to say "thanks, when can i expect more.. put in this function, etc") A kind gesture is never unappreciated, eh?

ok. off to work i go.
 

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ralp99 posted on Mar 9 2005 at 04:21 PM said:
I am sure there's an occasioanl fellow here and there who gets tired of waiting "for that snes emu" and fire up one of the more obscure ones to see what it's all about, and then "holy shit I never realized Atari 800 was so cool!"
Some excellent points you put

I totally agree with the one above. Like i say i only had a few systems/consoles/computers and trying a new emulator for a new system i know nothing about is brilliant.

You get to find some great gems (Eg Monster Max for the Gameboy, Mighty Bombjack for the NES) and many many others.

I never had a PC Engine, never knew anything about this until a few years ago when i tried an emulator for it. Some brilliant conversions for many games on this system and i loved trying many games for it finding out what ones are great and what ones werent.

At the moment i'm going through the full MAME set and finding many gems i never knew existed. Yeah a fair few are crap but theres many great games i never knew about which i'll be playing for the next few months

Anyone who creates a decent working emulator is a 'god' in my books. I cant wait for 'f' day by Rlyeh as i cant wait to try the new emulators and new games i havent been able to play on the GP32 before. Its a very good time for GP32 users at the moment.
 
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Azure- stop moaning!

I mean you just went through the systems and emulators mentioned above and rubbished them all. If you cant be bothered to persevere long enough to get Castaway working then how can you moan about developers giving up on their projects?

If you bought a GP32 to get perfect SNES with 100% compatibility and 100% sound, then you wasted your money. SNES is fine for me. Donation standard defnitely. When I buy the latest Nintendo game, I am merely giving money for that work, not as some guarantee of commitment for the future. Same principle applies here. If you dont think its good enough, the dont donate yet, but stop all the moaning.

You used to post all the time. Surely you have had enjoyment out of your GP32? Cheap enjoyment at that considering you dont have to pay for anything thats been released.
 
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