Windows 10 ARM on Pyra?

[Legodude522]

I know this is laughable but I'm curious if this would possible given that Windows 10 ARM is available for the Raspberry Pi.

 

[ptitSeb]

I don't think it's available for armhf, only on aarch64 (I'm unsure, but the Pi version arm64).

 

[λ the β-Redex Reducer]

 

[Legodude522]

One needs to keep themselves entertained as we wait for our Pyra

 

[λ the β-Redex Reducer]

Ah, I get it. If that's the kind of entertainment that you subscribe to then I have another game that you might enjoy: You just need to get a friend, stand in front of each other facing each other, and then take turns kicking each other in the balls. This game gives almost the same experience as running Windows 10 except it's less miserable.

 

[ClockworkCoder]

At least you could kick them back that way

 

[Phlyra]

Sort of relevant: https://interestingengineering.com/...ting-systems-source-code-has-just-been-leaked

Though the article rather foolishly fails to mention that when things are open source, exploitable security flaws have a potentially better chance of being patched by the community than they do by a giant like MS when closed source.

 

[Bernd]

Once I tried Win10 on a Raspberry for a little gag.

That thing got slower then I initially thought.

So, no Win10 on Pyra for me

 

[levi]

Though the article rather foolishly fails to mention that when things are open source, exploitable security flaws have a potentially better chance of being patched by the community than they do by a giant like MS when closed source.

I doubt many open source engineers are going to spent the time (a) to download something that legally you shouldn't have access to and (b) then tell someone they've found a bug in it, beyond their mates on 4chan. Who do you tell anyway? MS isn't running a bug bounty on these things, so the only people really interested are the people who want to hack putin and your gran who are still running old OSen.

 

[λ the β-Redex Reducer]

Does Winodws XP qualify for being open source if it's source is leaked? Or is it just leaked closed source?

 

[levi]

Yes, it doesn't match any definition of an open source release that I'm aware of. I assume @Phlyra misspoke, it's closed source that has been opened in a vague sense of that word, but that doesn't make it open source as I understand the term.

 

[fusion_power]

The Win XP source code leak sounds interesting - if legit. But I've heared that the code is not in a state where you could compile a full, working Windows XP. Do our coding experts here know more about that?

 

[Phlyra]

Yes, it doesn't match any definition of an open source release that I'm aware of. I assume @Phlyra misspoke, it's closed source that has been opened in a vague sense of that word, but that doesn't make it open source as I understand the term.

My apologies; my flawed understanding lol. I kinda assumed that if the source code for something closed source was made available to the community, even in a rather unconventional/unofficial way, that it had then technically become open source but I guess it’s the legality of the “release” that means it isn’t really open source because technically the community can’t legally do with it what they could with genuine open source software?

 

[Phlyra]

so the only people really interested are the people who want to hack putin and your gran who are still running old OSen.

One would hope that they have long since updated these... https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19061/britains-doomsday-subs-run-windows-xp/

 

[Legodude522]

The Win XP source code leak sounds interesting - if legit. But I've heared that the code is not in a state where you could compile a full, working Windows XP. Do our coding experts here know more about that?

If you want to be sued to oblivion. After the N64 source code leak, emulator project teams outright said they will not use the code to support N64 emulators.

 

[Neelix]

Even if legality wasn't an issue, XP still wouldn't gain any benefits from the source being open. It's long past EOL for MS, they are no longer maintaining it. For there to be any benefit someone would need to fork it into a new project and then actively maintain the new project, and there would need to be a userbase interested in seeing it developed further... and even then that still wouldn't help anyone who was still using the original product.

-Neelix

 

[Kev2442]

Also, it seems to be the SP1 release that has been leaked. Service Pack 2 was a whole revamp on the security side, and I expect most web-facing XP systems to be running a somewhat up-to-date SP3. I might be a bit naive, but then there might not be as many exploitable flaws as you'd think.

 

[levi]

SP2 might have patched the obvious holes, but that's not the kind of thing most blackhats even look for these days. They tend to look more for buffer overflows and other kinds of unguarded inputs. I suspect SP2 was more of a design change. Before SP2 I guess they were pretty much using the basic BSD4.3 release code like everyone else.

But SP2 also was the release that gave you functional USB support IIRC.

 

[Silent-Hunter]

I imagine if Microsoft open sourced Windows XP, someone would fix it up. People love XP.

 

[levi]

Some people do. XP at least finally killed the 9x branch and put everyone on the VMSWNT kernel. But by the time XP was out linux was at 2.4 with 2.6 coming later that same year. While we linux users were still on XFree86 rather than the at the time moribind X.org release, that was only a relatively minor change for users when the switch back came in 2008ish.

Personally I went through the XP upgrade from 2000 (from NT4, only saw Win NT 3.51 when I was in my gap year), but I was quickly distracted by linux from then on and switched over at least for my personal use shortly after. I thus have more of a personally positive recollection of WNT2000 or NT4, although these days I suspect I'd only be interested in using them now for an afternoon or so. I was never a big windows gamer, I was gaming on RISC OS in the day and went the console route from about 95 to about 2011 (when VVVVVV came out under SDL), so I'd only be interested in the L&F of early WIN NT, and really I don't expect it's performance even on modern CPUs to be that interesting.