Vista Pricing

[Nova]

I have Vista on my laptop and love it! I've also installed it on another PC and it runs faster than XP did on the same machine, even with Aero enabled and using some old PCI GeForce graphics card.

I'd put it onto my main desktop PC, but there is a particular game I play that wont work in Vista

This is the kind of comment that excites me, I am getting a free upgrade to vista with my acer laptop, but the disk hasn't arrived yet

 

[Mosch]

I have yet to read anything about Vista that strikes me as positive.

So no Vista for me as long as I can avoid it. If Hellgate: London runs un XP (and I see no reason why it shouldn't) I'll keep using it until I absolutely HAVE to upgrade...

 

[lubidog]

Humph! I didn't say I would pirate it!

But... I probably will, and then feel really awful about it...

 

[frutbunn]

Humph! I didn't say I would pirate it!

Nice try citizen, but I'm afraid it's 'RE-EDUCATION' for you! Now hold your eyes open and stare at this: :lol:

 

[TelcoLou]

Humph! I didn't say I would pirate it!

Nice try citizen, but I'm afraid it's 'RE-EDUCATION' for you! Now hold your eyes open and stare at this: :lol:

HAHAH!!!! It matches your avatar!! Love that video :lol:

 

[skysnapper]

You should have added the option "Yes, but will download a cracked pirated version and run it from that!", cos some of us here are dirty pirates who don't mind diddling Billy Gates out of his hard earned cash!

... oh, but ripping off musicians is a mortal sin, right? <_<

I can't participate in this poll, since I'm still a die-hard Win2K Pro user :lol:

Good man!! I would still be on win2k if it wasn't for one piece of software i use that wouldn't work unless it was windows xp sp2

Although i have stripped xp down a bit.. i like my os's to be naked and dress them myself

 

[rooster]

I have to say I like Vista..

The only thing that sucks is the price!

and there are 3 things to say about that:

- KMS server activation
- timerstop.sys crack
- today's new bruteforce keygen (hoax)
- Paradox OEM driver (new!)

Regarding these known Vista WPA 2.0 circumvention techniques: Please do not use them, doing so is dishonest, immoral and above all, highly dreadful.

 

[darkman]

SuSE Linux is my babe. I use Linux on all my computers, desktops and laptops. Libranet on my main laptop. It does everything that I need in an OS.

I only use XP at work. I have installed XP on an old laptop just to keep up by being familiar with the OS. Sometimes I am asked to help with a problem someone is having with their computer. Currently I have it on an old IBM thinkpad 600. Runs as fast as 98 on a 300 mhz cpu.

 

[Ganepark32]

Most if not all games that run on xp run on vista as it has xp already within its code. sorta like how the american and japanese ps3's have inbuilt ps2 chips.

 

[clarky2o2o]

at home (back in the UK) i used Vista (RC2) and preferred it to XP however i would not buy it for a few years when there are pc's that can run it better (quadcore or better for example). for now im using windows xp and learning to use EDubuntu and Xubuntu

 

[DaveC]

Meh, Vista is a big bloated DRM ridden resource hog. XP is good enough for me.

 

[Javacat]

at home (back in the UK) i used Vista (RC2) and preferred it to XP however i would not buy it for a few years when there are pc's that can run it better (quadcore or better for example). for now im using windows xp and learning to use EDubuntu and Xubuntu

There's actually quite a big performance difference between RC2 and the released version. I've found it runs just as fast (if not faster) on some hardware than XP.

It's a shame that it has been getting so much bad publicity as it really is a good OS (compared to Windows ). Not worth going and buying to replace your current OS though.

 

[Yono]

Meh, Vista is a big bloated DRM ridden resource hog. XP is good enough for me.

That's bascially my opinion on it. I'll upgrade if XP becomes restricting, but for now I don't see any problems with it.

 

[Squidge]

The main question is, if your current OS does everything you want, do you really want to "upgrade" to one which splatters you with confirmation message boxes for everything you or an application does? Yes, I'm talking about the over enthusiastic UAC that seems to want to give you as little information as possible to what (and why) it's actually stopped the current program:

 

[frutbunn]

@ Squidge:

Yeah, and The Register's security review states that your typical Vista consumer is STILL going to be running as root:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/20/vi...urity_oversold/

UAC is all well and good in theory, but here's the problem: it's never going to work. And the reason why it's never going to work is because MS still encourages the person who installs Vista (the owner presumably) to run their machine with admin privileges by default. I was delighted, when I set up Vista for the first time, to be presented with an opportunity to set up a "user" account. But moments later, when I saw that I was not invited also to create an admin account, I knew that the "user" account I had just set up was indeed an admin account. And so it was.

Until MS gets it through their thick skulls that a multi-user OS needs a separate admin account and a user account for the owner, and that the owner should be encouraged to work from a regular user account as much as possible, UAC will never work as intended.

Bummer! So all the existing XP malware probably isn't going to vanish! V.I.S.T.A. consumers are probably still going to get rooted every five minutes etc...

 

[Squidge]

and now "the top technology official at the federal Department of Transportation has placed a moratorium on all in-house computer upgrades to Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system, as well as Internet Explorer 7 and Office 2007"

""there appears to be no compelling technical or business case for upgrading to these new Microsoft software products. Furthermore, there appears to be specific reasons not to upgrade.""

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr...cleID=197700789

 

[frutbunn]

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr...cleID=197700789

:lol: Love it!

You know, throw the new look Office into the mix and things really could be shaping up to Microsoft's very own 'perfect storm'!

 

[nubie]

Ive already got vista and i got it for free . Its alrite nothing spectacular. Better than XP.

Me too, I just haven't got it installed yet, need to move around some HDDs. Educational copy, computer classes at college do come with perks

I use Gentoo

Me too, Sabayon Gentoo 3.26.

... oh, but ripping off musicians is a mortal sin, right? <_<

I can't participate in this poll, since I'm still a die-hard Win2K Pro user :lol:

Here, here... dual booting at home. Win2K for Windows-only games and apps, Ubuntu for everything else. And I'm the only guy at work who still runs on Win2K.

hmm, Win2K Pro vs XP Pro, that is like comparing apples to slightly different apples.

They feel about identical to me, probably cause it takes me 5 minutes to turn off all the naggy, crappy XP stuff every time I install it. Probably has been about 30 times on close to as many machines. Ironically my main rig has been through 4 mainboards and many more processors without a re-install . I'd like to see your OS do that.

On to the topic, my god that is brutal. I can't believe that cost. It doesn't mention the cost for other versions though. I would bet Home Premium or Business is your best choice anyway, depending on whether you need a media machine or not, both have Aero.

I probably wouldn't have bought it if I wasn't given a free copy. But I just don't buy OS's, nothing against Vista or Microsoft or Suse or Redhat. I just don't spend the cash there.

I am going to be trouble-shooting the Vista PC's sooner than I like to think about though, so I had better get a jump on it soon.

I think Microsoft did a quick Sink-or-swim by pushing most all pre-built systems with Vista. It gets the drivers guys off their Asses. Apparently they haven't been doing their job and now they suffer, and we suffer. Once the hardware is onboard and things settle down I will probably be fine with it.

Off-topic: Why isn't Vista 64-bit only? Intel is a bunch of stupid eggheads. Oooh, look at RAMBUS NETBURST, isn't it fun to say and see and won't it be the coolest piece of crap ever? AMD did 64-bit and has from the beginning focused on a solid performing system building on previous generations. Intel just keeps shooting all over the map.

The upshot is that we could have had Vista in 64-bit only if Intel didn't force crap on us for the past 8 years, I am not going to jump on their bandwagon just cause "Core Duo" isn't a steaming pile. I don't reward stupidity, stupid IntelS what stupid does. If the majority of the processors in the marketplace weren't 32-bit P4's foisted on us by Intel, then an all 64-bit OS would totally make sense.

Anything Pre-64-bit isn't really something you wan't to upgrade the OS on anyway. AthlonXP is where 32-bit ended. 754 is 64-bit mostly and Manila cores for AM2 are $42. No excuse Microsoft. So 64-bit is just screwed, at today's speeds couldn't you run a virtual XP system on one of your un-used cores and use all your old 32-bit apps and drivers? Might be hard to do, but probably not as hard as having 32-bit and 64-bit versions of every OS till the sun goes Nova.

As far as Core Duo goes the memory controller isn't on-die and full system power draw is pretty much the same as AMD, unless you power up processors on your bare desk just for fun the "lower power" hype is just useless. (Who has 90nm 35-watt dual-core desktop CPUs? One guess, and it isn't Intel.) On-die memory controllers make NB chipsets more stable and cheaper, reduce latency caused by distance from the memory to the NB back to the CPU, make memory compatability better across all chipsets. Gosh-darn it they just make sense.

 

[rooster]

Seconds away, round 2... in the Vista corner...

Yeah I like Vista - The new overhauled sound sub-system gives me less latency with native DirectSound than ASIO for VSTis in my music, certainly not the case with the dreadful legacy sound architecture in XP. I like superfetch too, pre-caching apps and data based on my usage patterns.. couldn't find that in XP.

I'd use Linux but the support for serious music apps is minimal. Otherwise it would be quite appealing to me.

ding ding!

 

[poddy]

Seconds away, round 2... in the Vista corner...

Yeah I like Vista - The new overhauled sound sub-system gives me less latency with native DirectSound than ASIO for VSTis in my music, certainly not the case with the dreadful legacy sound architecture in XP. I like superfetch too, pre-caching apps and data based on my usage patterns.. couldn't find that in XP.

I'd use Linux but the support for serious music apps is minimal. Otherwise it would be quite appealing to me.

ding ding!

<bites hook>
what cards that then rooster?
i'd recommend you shoot the driver writer.
rme should give 0ms, maudio deltas=6ms.
also, have you seen asio4all?
will give you low latency (low double digit worst case) even on sb16.
http://www.asio4all.com/

regards linux audio....
big 3 are missing for sure, vst/logic, acid/ableton, wavelab/soundforge.

some of it would survive in commercial land though,
have a butchers @ freecycle and compare to propellerheads recycle for eg.
new realtime kernel helps too,
but yep, needs big unifying flagship daw etc.
the magic is in the parts rather than the whole....
recommend lmms for new in town good times, though,
kinda like fruity loops
</bites hook>