Psp Umd Image Dumped...
- Thread starter Steve-O
- Start date
kotd
Well-Known Member
Not another one steve-o :rolleyes: "A close freind of mine says this is bull shit" HAH 
firefly1201
Bleh.
Kop_007 posted on Apr 28 2005 at 11:34 AM said:
:huh:
Last edited by a moderator:
sensible GP32
Well-Known Member
you know it all sounds too good to be true once more.....
i am rather excited about that xbox chip team working on something for the psp, last time i checked it was at 60% complete so fingers crossed!
i am rather excited about that xbox chip team working on something for the psp, last time i checked it was at 60% complete so fingers crossed!
Squidge
Certified Guru
It seems Sony has there eye on these exploits, and is locking up the PSP tighter than the chocolate biscuit tin in the staff room.
They are bringing out rom updates that are closing these holes quickly, and games newer than the rom update require the new update to run (no doubt to ensure you actually apply them). They see no reason not to apply the updates, as the updates themselves can be provided with the games.
There was two known exploits (well, two that I knew about) to run unsigned code on the 1.0 PSP, but these are now like gold dust to find, as there are already a number of games that refuse to run on these machines, so people are updating them to the newer firmware that has these holes closed. Naturally, Sony was quick to ensure all new devices already have the new firmware...
They are bringing out rom updates that are closing these holes quickly, and games newer than the rom update require the new update to run (no doubt to ensure you actually apply them). They see no reason not to apply the updates, as the updates themselves can be provided with the games.
There was two known exploits (well, two that I knew about) to run unsigned code on the 1.0 PSP, but these are now like gold dust to find, as there are already a number of games that refuse to run on these machines, so people are updating them to the newer firmware that has these holes closed. Naturally, Sony was quick to ensure all new devices already have the new firmware...
kotd
Well-Known Member
Look if it is true that they can dump the UMD than I'm sure they'll have the skill to etract the 1.0 firmware and allow anyone to downgrade from the newer firmware. If they can't do something like that than I don't believe they can rip a UMD. SO I'm going to keep upgrading. Someone will probably release a 1.0 dfirmware download.
Squidge
Certified Guru
Only games created with version 1.5 (or higher) of the PSP SDK will not work on the 1.0 firmware. Considering how long it normally takes to create a game (absolute minimum 6 months, normally a year or so), there will be a fair amount of games that will work, but it's likely all new games will fail to work.
Extracting the 1.0 firmware and allowing people to downgrade will not solve the problem. There are at least two reasons why:
- All software released contains the version number that the firmware must be equal to, or higher, before the game will even attempt to be run by the PSP. This will need to be patched in either the dumped images (or the firmware) to fool the PSP into thinking the firmware version is adequate.
- There are lots of additions in the 1.5 firmware, so if any game uses functions only present in the 1.5 firmware, then they are not going to work on 1.0 regardless of how much you try.
The only way I can see around this, is to get the firmware, patch it to remove the signing requirement, and then release this as an upgrade. However, how do you run the firmware upgrade? Upgrades, the same as games and apps, need signing before the PSP will run them, and the only holes currently available are on the 1.0 firmware, so only people with that firmware will be able to use the "hacked" firmwares. Since the 1.0 firmware was the original, Sony never released it as an upgrade, so you would need to rip it, create a downgrader tool for it, sign the downgrader tool, and then distribute it. If you can do that, you may as well just hack the latest version, and be compatible with more games.
Of course, there's been very little as of yet in the hardware hacking - it may be possible to create a modchip of sorts, or to reflash the device through other means.
Extracting the 1.0 firmware and allowing people to downgrade will not solve the problem. There are at least two reasons why:
- All software released contains the version number that the firmware must be equal to, or higher, before the game will even attempt to be run by the PSP. This will need to be patched in either the dumped images (or the firmware) to fool the PSP into thinking the firmware version is adequate.
- There are lots of additions in the 1.5 firmware, so if any game uses functions only present in the 1.5 firmware, then they are not going to work on 1.0 regardless of how much you try.
The only way I can see around this, is to get the firmware, patch it to remove the signing requirement, and then release this as an upgrade. However, how do you run the firmware upgrade? Upgrades, the same as games and apps, need signing before the PSP will run them, and the only holes currently available are on the 1.0 firmware, so only people with that firmware will be able to use the "hacked" firmwares. Since the 1.0 firmware was the original, Sony never released it as an upgrade, so you would need to rip it, create a downgrader tool for it, sign the downgrader tool, and then distribute it. If you can do that, you may as well just hack the latest version, and be compatible with more games.
Of course, there's been very little as of yet in the hardware hacking - it may be possible to create a modchip of sorts, or to reflash the device through other means.
mattmagoo
OFFICIAL
ok
how can SONY preent people from playing a game unless they have X firmware
what if someone doesnt have a computer
what if someoe doesnt know what firmwares are
if they do this they will be alienatign the casual gamer
the only way i can see it happening is if the put a firmware on the game, and have it install
how can SONY preent people from playing a game unless they have X firmware
what if someone doesnt have a computer
what if someoe doesnt know what firmwares are
if they do this they will be alienatign the casual gamer
the only way i can see it happening is if the put a firmware on the game, and have it install
finty
what is this
It has already been said that is what they will do... HOBO.
Squidge
Certified Guru
Do I need to repeat myself? Every game states which firmware is required to the console in one of the configuration files. These files are built by using the tools found in the PSP SDK. In firmware versions such as 1.5, there are also extra functionality in the firmware that is not present in the older firmware - this too will prevent people from playing games on older firmware (and making leaked copies of the tools in the SDK useless in changing the version numbers to fool the console).
If people don't have a computer, or know what a firmware is, it doesn't matter, as it has been said that games that require firmware X will include it on the game UMD, and will offer to install it when the user asks to play the game.
The PSP also has Wifi, and so it can use this to check for newer firmware downloads automatically. The user still doesn't need to know what a firmware is to do this.
If people don't have a computer, or know what a firmware is, it doesn't matter, as it has been said that games that require firmware X will include it on the game UMD, and will offer to install it when the user asks to play the game.
The PSP also has Wifi, and so it can use this to check for newer firmware downloads automatically. The user still doesn't need to know what a firmware is to do this.
Well, Sony could even decide to release the firmware updates on the newer UMDs, so that they will update the firmware automatically to run the new game...
I think, the only possible way running unsigned software is to hope for some mod-chips or an UMD by Datel which runs code right off the Memory stick...
I think, the only possible way running unsigned software is to hope for some mod-chips or an UMD by Datel which runs code right off the Memory stick...
Jarska333
What do you want?
Doesn't MS update their boxes like that? Stick an update on Halo2, and it WILL be installed on most of xboxes.
trooper
Trooper`s watching you !!!
Jarska333 posted on May 3 2005 at 11:13 AM said:
Yep, That is how M$ issues update for the xbox, Dashboard etc.
Trooper
Last edited by a moderator:
finty
what is this
Squidge
Certified Guru
Heh, you didn't waste any time in posting after seeing it on IRC
