Letalis Sonus
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That "somewhere" should ideally be at the actual source of things, have you ever asked yourself why people are actually systematically being dicks on the internet? Because they are raised to be dicks by the society they grew up in, the internet just makes it easier to show it to the world. This is not just about communication, it goes much deeper.Got to start somewhere. I’ve derailed this thread enough but before I finish I’d just like to ask: to parallel with a code of conduct, I’m curious whether you disagree with a society having laws against carrying out threats, theft, murder etc.? In other words, why does something being online (which is now an intrinsic part of society) mean that our behaviour should be any less acceptable here than in the “offline” world?
One should not forget that this is primarily an American movement and therefore also coined to and by the American society, which favors an extremely egoistic and antisocial mentality that tries to blatantly hide it behind a fake smile. Asking "how are you" has degraded into a meaningless greeting for which nobody expects a meaningful answer, politically everything social is immediately being badmouthed as being communist while the whole turbo-capitalism and hire-and-fire mentality continuously wrecks the working class. There is plenty of need for more "social" in the political area that could have an immense positive influence on what this society will further develop into, it is just natural that there's a social movement trying to push this idea. However, that is exactly what I fail to see with the Social Justice movement, they prefer to fight the symptoms instead. I'd even go as far as saying BLM achieved a lot more in that department in just a few weeks than the SJ movement did in a whole decade. People that are dicks won't change if you enforce them to use fake friendly words, they will still be and act like dicks. What you really want to change is the reason why they became dicks. Making people more aware of the consequences of their actions for their immediate environment would e.g. be a good start.
Do you know why the average American perceives Germans as rude? Simply because they provide and expect straight answers. If you fucked up they tell you that you fucked up, and they actually expect you to tell them if they fucked up because you can't do better if you don't know how you fucked up - without actually being offensive. Trying to wrap that up in feel-good words simply defeats the purpose, for both sides the whole reason of the conversation is the fuck up and not the feelings connected to it. The same counts for asking for someone's opinion, if they don't like something they will just say it right in your face. If a German compliments you about something or asks how you're doing, they are actually being sincere and not just polite. In this context I actually feel somewhat discriminated by CoCs, simply because they create a lot of room for potential and unintentional conflicts, they blur the line between actual abusive language and which is only perceived as such because context is missing, like a harmless little jab among friends that none of them would consider offensive (bonus points if you get the reference).