I think the big porn torrent sites were just paid off by the Porn industry

[second exodous]

I was surfing through Torrentfreak today, I like to do that every few months to see how screwed up the world of copyrights is, and got to this article that explains that for no apparent reason one of the largest torrent sites disappeared into thin air. Really? They just decided to shut up shop? I was baffled but kept going back more and more articles and one thing that is apparently common in the Porn Industries law suits: the porn industry is laughed out of court nearly all the time.


So, this is what I think happened. The two sites mentioned in the above article were the biggest, like 90% of porn torrents went through them, the porn industry couldn't sue them because no court would take them seriously. So, how to make get them off the net? Pay them off. Sounds silly, why pay thieves to stop stealing? It makes perfect sense, these sites are huge and have huge egos. Remember the open letters to the RIAA and MPAA from The Pirate Bay? Huge egos when you have millions of users. So, I think the Porn industries plan is not to take the big guys to court or sue their users but to pay off the sites. Little torrent sites probably don't' have nearly as big egos and will probably shut down with a few coordinated lawyer letters from multiple porn studios. Now that the big ones are gone they just have to keep up threatening the little ones as they pop up.


Now, lets look at how this would have gone down with The Pirate Bay. I don't care who you are or what rights you think you have in whatever country you live in, if someone wants to pay you off with 7 or 8 number figures you'll cave, and you will help destroy every scrap of what you have built. You'll also plan it out so one day everything is gone and no one would know what happened. Then the the corrupt content companies of the world would only have to do what I think the porn industry is going to do, crush the little guys with little egos as they pop up.


Now, to have this all work the general public can't know what went down or it would accelerate how many torrent sites pop up because everyone would want a pay off. This is why it will never be explained why these big torrent porn sites just closed up shop without any explanation.

 

[Bosbeetle]

That or their wive(s) found out

 

[lulzfish]

That's really weird, why would the court system respect some of the stuff the RIAA and MPAA does, but not porn? Don't they go through the same channels for copyrighting and IP?

 

[Timstertoo]

The Pirate Bay were having severe legal problems and tried to sell up, I believe the amount just about covered the fine they got or so. Can't remember the specifics.


Paying Torrent sites off to pack up and quit would be just wasting money. If one big site disappears the downloaders will just move to a little one and make that a big one.

 

[second exodous]

That's really weird, why would the court system respect some of the stuff the RIAA and MPAA does, but not porn? Don't they go through the same channels for copyrighting and IP?

Seeing how you can spend a few thousand to make a few million is one reason. Another is acting with no talent. And another if you produce porn you're a pretty shady character anyway.


Also, picture exhibit A, the actually DVD that was pirated. Do you know anyone that doesn't think the covers of Porn DVDs are hilarious, not to mention the names?

 

[Timstertoo]

That's really weird, why would the court system respect some of the stuff the RIAA and MPAA does, but not porn? Don't they go through the same channels for copyrighting and IP?

Seeing how you can spend a few thousand to make a few million is one reason. Another is acting with no talent. And another if you produce porn you're a pretty shady character anyway.


Also, picture exhibit A, the actually DVD that was pirated. Do you know anyone that doesn't think the covers of Porn DVDs are hilarious, not to mention the names?

I think you're greatly underestimating how big and professional the porn industry is.


I believe that movies alone already have a bigger revenue than hollywood movies have. They can and will sue you.


I agree on the hilarity thats bound to ensue in the courtroom though

 

[second exodous]

That's really weird, why would the court system respect some of the stuff the RIAA and MPAA does, but not porn? Don't they go through the same channels for copyrighting and IP?

Seeing how you can spend a few thousand to make a few million is one reason. Another is acting with no talent. And another if you produce porn you're a pretty shady character anyway.


Also, picture exhibit A, the actually DVD that was pirated. Do you know anyone that doesn't think the covers of Porn DVDs are hilarious, not to mention the names?

I think you're greatly underestimating how big and professional the porn industry is.


I believe that movies alone already have a bigger revenue than hollywood movies have. They can and will sue you.


I agree on the hilarity thats bound to ensue in the courtroom though

Read the news, it doesn't matter how much money you have if the court system won't take you seriously you're screwed. The porn industry has collectively launched 100s of legal battles involving 1000s of file sharers each but most of them are just thrown out by judges.


This is why I think they might have just paid off these huge torrent sites that focus on porn, they couldn't sue anyone because no one takes them seriously. It is just a theory, I don't know for sure obviously.


Also, won't sue me, I don't watch porn because I think it takes advantage of those that are in it and has the potential to ruin lives in multiple ways.

 

[craigix]

When you have really well know sites like tube8, youporn (I saw this name checked in a prime time UK TV show the other day!), el.nl (and loads more I'm sure) etc. how on earth is the porn industry making money at all anymore?


Are people really still buying porn DVDs? I guess I don't fit the demographic.

 

[Fzero]

People do still pay for it yes, some even still reach up to that top shelf for hard copies too


feck knows why though, I think it's those blokes that are worried about their net savvy partners checking their history cache

 

[Timstertoo]

When you have really well know sites like tube8, youporn (I saw this name checked in a prime time UK TV show the other day!), el.nl (and loads more I'm sure) etc. how on earth is the porn industry making money at all anymore?


Are people really still buying porn DVDs? I guess I don't fit the demographic.

I'm wondering the same too. I think that's why sites like Livejasmin etc suddenly pop up everywhere.


But I still don't think the porn industry would pay off a youporn or so to stop existing. It would be throwing away money as they would just pop up under another name or someone else will step into the void.


The only way to survive, is with the regular movie industry and the music industry and probably also soon the publishing industry is to adapt and come up with new ideas to get paid.

 

[second exodous]

Off topic a little bit, but hey I started the thread, but I think part of piracy might be up because there is just so much crap out there. How many music labels do we need? How many recording artists? How many TV shows? How many movies? I think companies push so much crap in our face that we can't pay for it all but at the same time they make us feel like a nobodies if we don't consume every bit of it so we turn to piracy for some of it.


I don't know, just a thought.

 

[Timstertoo]

Off topic a little bit, but hey I started the thread, but I think part of piracy might be up because there is just so much crap out there. How many music labels do we need? How many recording artists? How many TV shows? How many movies? I think companies push so much crap in our face that we can't pay for it all but at the same time they make us feel like a nobodies if we don't consume every bit of it so we turn to piracy for some of it.


I don't know, just a thought.

I agree.


Also downloading movies/series gives me close to instant gratification at an affordable price.


If I want to see a movie and it's on newsgroup I can watch it within 15 minutes at great quality. I pay €7,50 a month for a news server that gives me at least a year retention. I simply never run out of stuff to watch on my harddisk.


I'd lovingly pay up to €20,- a month to an "official" source just to be able to watch on demand all that stuff. But my cable provider wants me to pay € 4,99 for a movie that's 2 years old and that's just not worth it to me. If it would be € 1,- I'd be watching them all the time. Price elasticity is a great factor here.


I think it's great for the music lovers as the artists now have to focus again on making money through gigs. You get more "real" artists and less invented acts that can't do a gig for shit and just have been invented to push CD singles. Also a small time band can reach a big audience through the internet and get a good fanbase out of it without having to beg a record company.


The world is changing rapidly and the old media is starting to feel it bigtime. It will be interesting to see how things will evolve the next couple of years. I for instance love www.spotify.com and have a paid subscription for home and for my bar and have no problem with their fees. It's value for money so I don't download music anymore. I'm legit musicwise.

 

[DaMummy]

on a related note, the main reason blurays won the BD vs HDDVD war is because blu rays supported porn, and hddvd didnt, courts can laugh at the porn industry all they want, but nobody can deny its success, plus im sure it works both ways, porn industry laugh at courts as well, you dont think courts ever tried to ban/censor/alter porn, which they actually do to a point where a lot of stuff isnt allowed to be filmed/shown, yet one can easily find some weird ass shit on the internet w/o any kind of hassle, filmed by major porn companies

 

[WizardStan]

on a related note, the main reason blurays won the BD vs HDDVD war is because blu rays supported porn, and hddvd didnt

Other way around. Sony announced that it wouldn't allow porn titles to be produced in their factories while Toshiba said it would license its presses to porn studios. This didn't mean that porn studios couldn't produce BD, it just meant they couldn't go to Sony to do it, they had to produce their own disks or get a third party to do it. This is different from the betamax/vhs war where porn literally could not get the rights to put things on beta, so vhs came out ahead.


The reason that BD won was because of the PS3, better marketing, and because HD-DVD didn't take full advantage of its superior features in a gamble to make more money later. The gamble didn't pay off, they lost, and now your "BD/DVD/Data" combo packs contain 3 disks instead of the single disk that HD-DVD would have been.

 

[- Theo -]

Disks? Who still use disks?

 

[Anihil8ion2199]

I actually own Pirates which was the first ever porn HD-DVD which released in 2005! To my dismay it did not work on my HD-DVD player add on for the X-box 360, so I dumped the format entirely and went with BD. Compatibility was a huge issue! After HD failed I bought a $10 HD player just to see the quality... And it was good! Not for nothing but the quality on HD is for some reason better than BD in adult films. I have by the way, long since dumped disc porn for internet, and am about to be engaged, but she knows I love my stash!

 

[ZXDunny]

Also downloading movies/series gives me close to instant gratification at an affordable price.


If I want to see a movie and it's on newsgroup I can watch it within 15 minutes at great quality. I pay €7,50 a month for a news server that gives me at least a year retention. I simply never run out of stuff to watch on my harddisk.


I'd lovingly pay up to €20,- a month to an "official" source just to be able to watch on demand all that stuff. But my cable provider wants me to pay € 4,99 for a movie that's 2 years old and that's just not worth it to me. If it would be € 1,- I'd be watching them all the time. Price elasticity is a great factor here.

Are we still talking about Porn here?


D.

 

[lulzfish]

I don't watch porn because I think it takes advantage of those that are in it and has the potential to ruin lives in multiple ways.

I haven't thought about this much but it is interesting. Then I thought, "well what about CGI porn"


But it doesn't look realistic.


So then I wondered if there was motion-captured CGI porn. At this point I admitted that I was thinking about this possibly too much.

 

[Timstertoo]

Also downloading movies/series gives me close to instant gratification at an affordable price.


If I want to see a movie and it's on newsgroup I can watch it within 15 minutes at great quality. I pay €7,50 a month for a news server that gives me at least a year retention. I simply never run out of stuff to watch on my harddisk.


I'd lovingly pay up to €20,- a month to an "official" source just to be able to watch on demand all that stuff. But my cable provider wants me to pay € 4,99 for a movie that's 2 years old and that's just not worth it to me. If it would be € 1,- I'd be watching them all the time. Price elasticity is a great factor here.

Are we still talking about Porn here?


D.

Haha! I could try to talk myself out of this one but I'd just hate to be the guy that hits rock bottom and starts digging. :lol:

 

[second exodous]

I don't watch porn because I think it takes advantage of those that are in it and has the potential to ruin lives in multiple ways.

I haven't thought about this much but it is interesting. Then I thought, "well what about CGI porn"


But it doesn't look realistic.


So then I wondered if there was motion-captured CGI porn. At this point I admitted that I was thinking about this possibly too much.

I did watch one digitally animated porn, it was a scifi thing were a princess had to pick a mate and one included a robot and another plant life. Ok, how is that even logical? Anyway it was not erotic at all, it was really really funny though.


I think CGI will take over everywhere, myself I enjoy CGI comedies a LOT more than live action comedies. Then all my fav movies are Pixar movies, my fav tear jerker/feel good movies anyway. Avatar wasn't that bad and it was 90% digital.