I would argue that though. I don't believe anyone here seriously looks down on Android users. The closest I can think of to even suggesting that is when someone yet-again suggests an Android device as an alternative to the Pandora/Pyra which doesn't actually solve the problem.
it's not isolated to when someone presents an android device as an alternative, although people are quick to comment in those threads also about how uninteresting those things are on top of it not meeting their needs. But really any android device, whenever mentioned or topic'ed has it's normal fellowship of people openly disregarding it as a clone or just plainly crap (there has been a shit-ton of these topics I'm referencing). There is some helpful conversations in them sure, but alongside overwhelming negative feedback, not exactly what I would call welcoming. The topics that spur the "android users are idiots" are deeper in the forums and topics and usually arise when the subject of bringing it to the pyra, or when it used to be brought up with the pandora. Some conversations I remember you personally posting in, although I don't remember you specifically posting any negativity, but to say you don't see it or remember seeing them makes me think you're either being selective about your memory or bias has taken over. ED seems to know what I'm referencing as I'm sure others do as well. Either way, it's a general vibe rather than specific instances. Conversation that usually devolve into an "us" vs "them" situation.
As for the narrow focus, that's a matter of history.........
no need for the history lesson, I've been here for the better portion of a decade as well. The rift between this community and that community was the point, and I was asked how we can improve the opinion of each has on each other, my answer was to help bridge the gap between the two by being more open minded to other people's needs. You want to justify the rift, then that's cool, but I was giving an answer to your question with my own justification why something should be changed to help that.
Why? There's lots of SBCs and many more coming out all the time. The thing that makes the Pandora/Pyra interesting is the whole package. Why change it to make something that would almost necessarily be less powerful and cost more than something that already exists? If they don 't want nor see the purpose behind the Pandora, what is gained by changing to try and make them interested. If they're not interested then they aren't interested. Wouldn't it be better to suggest something that already exists? I mean, the very fact that we make such suggestions whenever someone comes looking for a "Pandora like device with keyboard/etc" contradicts your "we don't care about anything else", doesn't it?
I was presenting an idea that would appeal to the cheap ass DIY guys in that forum to get them interested in the pandora's ecosystem. If that's a bad idea, then it's a bad idea. I felt the pandora has things to offer in it's simple application packaging and existing catalog that could be appealing to other handhelds and low profile computers. Having a cheap device that can do lots of stuff the pandora can do (in software) mostly out of the box would be appealing to some I think. Especially the group that finds android devices as alternatives to the pandora, a group that might not need a keyboard, but respects the other benefits of having linux handheld gaming device over an android only based one. Some points might be less latency in emulators which is a common complaint.
Why would you do that though? What were you hoping to accomplish? Super Zaxxon is just Angstrom with some add-ons to handle the PND format, all the hard work Notaz put in was for the Pandora's unique hardware. And the only reason Angstrom was used was because that was all that was available at the time, really. You'd be better off with base Angstrom and only porting the little bits you needed, or even better, Debian.
kind of the same answer as above. The point being no bridge gaps exist currently, it's not like angstrom, debian, opendingux, android, or windows is isolated to very specific devices by some underlying magic. Porting the OS to another device would just potentially add to the user experiences and give people more options on what they want and could run. Plus getting devices to run things they weren't intended to do out of the box is just good ol fun. The experience of doing and supporting it builds communities. That's where most of us come from I think. And if it weren't for that underlying urge to make your device do cool things it normally wouldn't, I don't think this entire internet subculture would even exist. I started my adventure in this subculture running custom firmware on a PSP for example.
So in your opinion, the best way to improve our image is to make a device that no one actually needs and port an OS that has long outgrown it's usefulness? That doesn't sound right at all.
yea, I mean if you want to make my idea look stupid then sure.
But the intent was a way to make your perceived image better by being more welcoming to needs outside your own. People who want some of the same stuff you guys have and can't or not willing to shell out as much money for it. This is one of the best places on the net to come to if you want a pocket emulator or a true pocket pc. But their needs might not be exactly what the pandora/pyra has to offer in it's full glory or at least at it's price, but maybe more than what the android devices have to offer out of the box, and could be happy with something in between if such a thing existed. And again, that cheap ass that doesn't want to shell out more than the $100-200 for their toys.
If you allow yourself to imagine for a second if there was a user grown package to get one of these android game devices to run pandora's angstrom package, and lets just be optimistic for the sake of argument and say it was generally binary capable without modification with the existing catalog. And lets say someone came up with an on screen keyboard that was controller navigable like the GCW zero has. Ok, still with me?
What does that give you? A $100ish dollar pandora that can run most of the same applications the pandora can run at around the same level of performance. You see absolutely no merit if something like this existed? You don't think it would atrract anyone to this community to either add additional software or inspiring developers? It wouldn't get what developers love, and their application out so more people can enjoy their labors?
far fetched maybe, but I really think something of that nature would be a net positive to all parties invovled, and that's why I was trying to do it. But agian, it might just be as stupid as you make it sound.
