Aquaria Ported To Psp Homebrew Before Pandora?

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  1. second exodous

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    Aquaria has been ported to the PSP through the homebrew scene. The guy that ported it, Andrew Church, has written up his trials in this endevor. Hopefully a Pandora port is now possible. Maybe a few other from the Humble Indie Bundle will show up on the PSP and then the Pandora.
     
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    the Aquaria port to psp has been mentioned already here hopefully they can use a few of his techniques when attempting to port to pandora :)_
     
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  3. WizardStan

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    Already been brought up
    The only reason it got to the PSP first is because there's enough PSPs out there that someone with interest actually had one. Still waiting on my Pandora. :p
    Some of the work he did might be useful, but for the most part I don't think it will be. We're not as RAM or VRAM limited, most notably.
     
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  4. Exophase

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    Also worth noting that his PSP port isn't really up to performance (yet, anyway). Seems to be a detail everyone is leaving out when mentioning this.
     
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    The audience for PSP is homebrew is much vaster than ours. Even if it was 1% of all PSP owners, that's 600,000 people - and all of those presumably have a physical machine.
     
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    They really sold 60 Million PSPs? :blink:
    Wow. Imagine, "only" 600.000 Pandoras would be sold for around 300€ each. Craig Co. would be very happy people I guess. :D
    Well, it would take 100 Years or so to build 600K Pandoras assuming the current speed but I guess at some point they could afford a faster Assembling line. :)
     
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    It'll be ported soon enough once a few more :pandora2ut4: make it into the wild. Something to look forward to :D
     
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    The lack of Pandoras out there is this communities main problem.
     
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    Oops, sorry, didn't know this has been brought up before, I looked a few pages back but didn't see it mentioned. Yeah, it doesn't run at full speed right now but it's running, it will definitely take some tweaking to get it running full speed. I do hope we can use his work to get it on the Pandora though.
     
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    What happened to the Pandora being the world's leading Homebrew platform? We're eating PSP leftovers now?
     
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    ^^ Well, I don't see Pandora really becoming comparable to PSP homebrew for a year or so, they aren't even all shipped yet. In fact maybe it won't until the second Pandora comes out, I don't know, these things take time. Also there is a new PSP coming out, someday, so taking the homebrew title from a platform so popular might be a bit of a challenge. PSP will get everything first but if it's OSS then it will make it to the Pandora more quickly.
     
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    I guess we were all kidding ourselves.
     
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    Only if you thought the Pandora, with only a few hundred actual units in the wild, was going to take the homebrew scene by storm.
     
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    I think he means like (Exciting open source stuff) -> "Definitely possible on Pandora!" meaning there would be a community large enough to actually provide the ports instead of the (heroic) efforts of 4 or 5 guys.
     
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    I fully believe that'll happen eventually, and have seen no evidence to suggest that that won't be the case. Fact is that there are only a few hundred units really out there, compared to a few hundred thousand for the PSP; it's not going to happen overnight, not even overmonth. We need at least the first batch to be shipped, then we should start seeing a shift in homebrew.
     
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  16. torpor

    torpor hack hack hack, the little machines fight back

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    There'd be a lot more homebrew going on if the people who bought Pandoras would actually use them for development and not just EBay price gouging ..
     
  17. Exophase

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    Don't you think you're blowing things out of proportion a little? I don't think very many people are selling Pandoras on eBay, and the ones who are were probably not capable of developing for it anyway. In fact, the odds are better this way that the person willing to pay inflated prices for it will end up developing instead.

    With that mentality maybe I should say there'd be more homebrew going on if you'd loan out your second Pandora to someone eager to code for it - and unless that second unit is helping you develop I can say with total certainty.

    I don't really know what the issue is.. from where I stand it looks like so far Pandora IS getting more developer attention than PSP is, which is astonishing considering the number of people who have had it and for how long. Remember, even for the < 700 who have a unit many haven't had it for very long - mine took weeks to get to me after I got the e-mail and has only been in my hand under three weeks.

    Now consider that some people like to make quality releases instead of rushing out quick ports, and you'll see there just hasn't been a lot of time.

    So much commotion over one game. That's not statistically significant. That's just how the dice happened to roll.
     
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  18. torpor

    torpor hack hack hack, the little machines fight back

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    Not really.. I saw the same thing occur with the Zii Egg and Touchbook - people bought these because they were pitched as 'the new best cool thing', and we got a lot of people who just bought these things for the cool factor, not doing anything really productive with them, development-wise. I think there are a large number of current Pandora users who are simply not doing anything with them but letting them sit there to wait for the cool stuff to get released .. this is just a 'normal ratio of users' as far as I can tell. I wish there were something we could do to motivate more developer output so we saw more creative stuff, but maybe its just too early in the game, yet .. don't get me wrong, I love all the emulator ports and so on, but it'd be nice to see a few more Pandora-specific releases this month.

    I got two units for a number of reasons, and all of them are development-related:

    ** So I'd have another unit to test multiplayer code with.
    ** So I'd have another unit to help with pushing the Base OS development forward (Testing and coding and so on) while the other unit would stay 'mainstream' ..
    ** For MIDI and Music-making, its always good to have two of the same instruments around. I've got libOSC onboard for my music-makers.pnd project, and having two Pandoras to test this stuff with is very, very helpful.

    So yeah, no need to worry, my second Pandora is very helpful to my development efforts .. you can consider that with total certainty!

    Yeah, good point. Would be nice to hear from some of the unknowns what they are up to in the meantime, though ..
     
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    Exophase Nothing good will ever come of Exophase.

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    Pandora doesn't have a "normal ratio of users" at all. Far more owners are developers than you'll see with almost any other platform. Not that I think anyone really has any business acting like others should be developing on it, as it's some kind of responsibility, or that it's bad to buy "the new cool thing" - after waiting this long to get their Pandoras I don't think people should suddenly be obligated to do work on top of that.

    I was pretty sure you'd say things like this in response. And I was pretty sure I wouldn't find it very convincing.

    You can test multiplayer against a computer and other people with Pandoras. I know I do.

    You can keep experimental OS images on different SD cards, or at any rate off NAND.

    And the music making argument I'm not even following.

    So yeah, maybe it helps you some measurable amount - but you seriously think it helps production more for you to have two than another decent dev to have one instead? Because I don't. And I continue to say that with certainty.

    Some people don't like to talk about what they're working on - it has this tendency to create a lot of noise, attention/hype and unreasonable expectations.. Do you want buzz, or do you want stuff to actually get done?
     
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  20. torpor

    torpor hack hack hack, the little machines fight back

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    Heh heh .. I suppose its okay, after all this time, for the Pandora to have a fairly mediocre software base. Actually, no I don't: I'd like for the Pandora to have software that doesn't exist anywhere else. I want Pandora to be a fertile breeding ground for mad and delightful new apps. Ports of decades-old projects are one thing: Fresh projects designed for the hardware in front of you, explicitly, is another thing entirely.

    For example, the Zii Egg was only sold 'to developers', but the known quantity of actual developer contribution after the devices hit the hands of the people who had ordered them was something like 10%, and a *lot* of people confessed to the fact that they were only buying them to be able to turn them around on EBay, or to be able to pose with the latest gadget, and so on, in case "it went big". In this day and age, anyone can call themselves a developer: but what matters is the final release. I really doubt a high percentage of current Pandora owners are hacking away at developing for it, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong by real statistics and not just feelings and hear-say, which is all we have to go on right now ..

    You're pretty sure about a lot of things, I have read.

    Do you also then account for the differences in i/o throughput on your PC, somehow? Do you know other Pandora people in your neighborhood? Luck you, here in Vienna I don't know another single Pandora owner.

    Not that I feel like arguing you with you particularly, but I come from a world where you always test first and foremost on your target hardware and never elsewhere, and thats a good methodology for ensuring your stuff works. Since I work mostly on safety-critical and realtime systems, I abhor the idea of testing new code on non-standard hardware. Test, always, on your target device, is my rule and it works quite well when it comes time to supporting your end users ..

    Of course, and you can also just hack SDL-based projects on some other platform and gain a lot of glory from doing a port here and there too, but in my case I want to be able to contribute to the Base OS while also working on my user space apps for music, without interruption and interference. Sometimes, things I do at the kernel level will definitely prevent progress at the user-space development level, so having two Pandoras helps with that: one can be off in la-la-land while the other still has a running version of the latest build.

    Decades of experience has led to the policy of maintaining different hardware configurations for these two realms, and its worked quite well so far .. so ..

    When you have a softsynth and want to see that it syncs well with another copy of the softsynth running on another Pandora, over the Pandora Wifi link itself and not 'an approximation of it', its best to have two complete instances of the hardware to test against, lest you run around trying to work out why you're getting better throughput for the job on the mega-PC in comparison to the real hardware you're intending to target .. I'm sure if you'd thought about that, you'd understand.

    But whats your point? I'm a bad person for having two Pandoras when there are developers out there who haven't gotten theirs yet? I ordered and paid for two when I put my finger in the pie in the first few minutes of online ordering going live, so.. whats the problem there? Shall I not use the onboard compiler too, because there are developers out there who can't do that yet, lol ..

    Like I say, you have certainty on a lot of things but certainty isn't the only way to paint the bike shed .. I don't think you're really being honest in looking at my situation: I have two Pandoras because it supports my development efforts, and all I really want to do with the Pandora is develop cool, new, things for it .. so yeah, I got two to help with that, and in fact having two Pandoras definitely helps when I need to switch on new things, test them, verify against a known end-user configuration, and so on .. On one Pandora right now, for example, I have a custom kernel configured more specifically for audio production (realtime, tweaks) and I know for example from this that my softsynth runs better on that environment than on the Base OS currently shipping to customers, and it sure is a lot easier to compare the differences in performance when both cases are clearly represented by running hardware, side-by-side ..


    I'd like to hear what other developers are doing to bring original stuff to the Pandora sphere. I'm sure they're out there, we just don't hear that much about it. Am I responsible for that with all my ridiculous rants? Possibly. Are you responsible for it with your "certainty" about things? Possibly. Either way, I hope other developers will tell us about the interesting things they're doing with their Pandoras, nevertheless, and to that end I resolve to stop ranting about things, certainly ..
     

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