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Inimuk

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http://wccftech.com/game-monitor-anti-cheat-windows-10/

Something that's been squirrled away in Win10 since June is now a major headline this week.
Yay, more telemetry to disable.

Creators Update is a stupid name considering anything that they said would be included hasn't shipped with it (Story Remix, OneDrive sync-on-demand.. though you could replace Movie Maker easily with anything in a Linux distro).
 

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OK, now Win10 hacked me off, really much.
And I'm not sure what MS is doing, but it doesn't look good.
Let's start from the beginning. My last Windows was XP, and I'm still using XP and 98 in some older machines (chip programmers won't work on newer systems), I have virtual machine with 7 at work to use when I really have to view CAD drawings made in TOMCAD and similar "deflated-deflated-deflated-...-deflated-coordinates" format (read: all CATIA-like). However, I bought a device with Win10 (GPD Win). What more, I decided to leave this rolling-release parody when installing Linux to install some games in the near future. The "near future" came and I decided to push a few old-good things there (OK, not too old, mid-2000s). Because after reading Win10 ToS I lost all motivation to connect this OS to my network, I decided to use USB flash drive for transferring games.
The only 8GB I had at the moment was the drive I used to set Debian up, with all these partitions needed for EFI boot. So i popped it to XP machine, formatted it in HP formatter and had one FAT32 partition. Put to GPD... no result.
Tested everything. Port is OK, this 512MB USB flash drive works. 8GB stick is OK, I even copied files on it in Linux, I re-formatted it in GParted, but Windows doesn't see it. I can even see it in GPD after re-booting to Linux. So, OK, let's go with Windows 10's disk management tool, I found the disk online in management applet, started to format... Cannot format because... the disk is offline! WTF?
After a quarter of two of futile tries to make this drive have a filesystem I decided to start from scratch using diskpart. Guess what - Cannot clear it because "the system cannot find the file specified"!. The answer in the Internet is to install... a fixed driver! We have XXI century, operating systems have USB storage drivers since more than a decade and they want me to install a driver? OK, I managed to download a fix from MS (quite difficult and requires fiddling with URL in an address bar), moved with 512MB stick, launched as admin...
Nope. I don't have Internet connection! Doesn't matter that it's not needed, that I can peek inside the fix and with some RE find a newer DLL there, it won't install without!
Linux at least may print to the console what's going wrong. It may be totally incomprehensible, but someone will understand the logs. Here's no explanation, just an error. And I was thinking that Linux is complicated.

Finally I moved 9GB using this 512MB drive, piece by piece. Installed, works. OK, only in windowed mode because in fullscreen it rotates the screen (interesting phenomenon: To the other side than BIOS/GRUB are rotated), but works, with Borderless even in emulated full-screen.

My feeling is that MS is doing with USB flash drives the same thing as they were doing with floppy drives in 2000s - in XP they destroyed the driver to the point that many totally OK disks, used in previous versions, started to be unusable, throwing false errors and informing about damages in places where there were no bad sectors. So what are they trying to push now, cloud services? And when they will emulate faults on our hard disks?
 

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It's funny, when I first came to Linux, and before that unixes in general (although those as a user only) I considered them to be an OS that needs an internet connection much more than any my old computers did e.g. email/news being just files in your home directory, and installing anything from a repo requiring an internet connection. But it seems Win10 has overtaken Linux in hanging off of an internet connection, even on an embedded system.
 

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It's funny, when I first came to Linux, and before that unixes in general (although those as a user only) I considered them to be an OS that needs an internet connection much more than any my old computers did e.g. email/news being just files in your home directory, and installing anything from a repo requiring an internet connection. But it seems Win10 has overtaken Linux in hanging off of an internet connection, even on an embedded system.
It's not only the internet connection.
What I think is funny is that in the early days, so many people complained that Linux looks different all the time, nothing is consistent (thanks to different DEs, some apps using GTK, some QT, etc.)

I loved the different DEs (as I could choose my favourite one), but yes, having TWO themes setup for GTK and QT was annoying.

And these days?
Linux is mostly consistent. If you use QT, you can use a GTK Engine so that all GTK apps will also use your QT Theme.
With DEs like KDE, everything is nicely integrated.

And Windows?
Well... some stuff in Windows 10 settings uses the old dialogue, some the new dialogue, some have BOTH available (and the new one is missing important features), etc.
It's even more inconsistent as Linux ever was :)

It's funny how things change :)
 

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Well if you are Certified Microsoft Expert you have 5 keys for any MS software product for free... :p
And not only that, there is no Cortana, Edge, Telemetry or any other spying stuff.
 

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Well if you are Certified Microsoft Expert you have 5 keys for any MS software product for free... :p
And not only that, there is no Cortana, Edge, Telemetry or any other spying stuff.
Wer's glaubt wird selig.
 

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Well if you are Certified Microsoft Expert you have 5 keys for any MS software product for free... :p
And not only that, there is no Cortana, Edge, Telemetry or any other spying stuff.
Well, I AM Microsoft Partner an got it for free :)
And there are possibilities to disable most of the spying stuff, Cortana etc. by using the local and global group policies in Win Professional.
Just the forced upgrades are an Enterprise only feature (and of course some other stuff).
But I like Linux more, so my family and friends profit the most from my free licences.
 

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I use LTSB N on my main rig, Win7pro on my Zbook (soon to be replaced with Debian), and Win 10 Pro on my work Thinkpad X230.

I am considering NVMe drive+CubesOS+IOMMU+Windows setup on my main rig in order to resolve the "Gaming on Linux" issue :D
 

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My Win7 started to fail to upgrade and Win10 scares me so I was forced to leave my comfort zone and reinstalled ManjaroOS on my desktop instead. Though I know nothing really about Linux I don’t miss Windows. At all.
 

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I only miss Windows when I open steam and see the amount of games I can't play (some do work with Wine).
So I have a dual boot system to run some games and some programs that I can't get working correctly under Linux.
Also have a VM so I don't have to leave Linux if I don't want to.
 

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I only miss Windows when I open steam and see the amount of games I can't play (some do work with Wine).
So I have a dual boot system to run some games and some programs that I can't get working correctly under Linux.
Also have a VM so I don't have to leave Linux if I don't want to.
That's exactly my setup too,
Linux with VBox Windows VM for RSAT tools etc. and dual boot Win10 for gaming.
 

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This just in - Windows is shit. After attempting to update my windows 10 partition, the involved eternal download time, several obnoxious restarts and long installation time, windows decided to brick itself. While loading it just gives me a message window "can't install update, please restart update". Reboot, loop. Flipping hell.
 

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I've been using windows 10 since day 1 and I haven't had any issues, I also think it's an excellent OS for Devs especially with linux subsystem for windows.

I think Microsoft is after the cloud space now anyway rather than desktop share and so wants to make windows 10 really good for developers.
 

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My Windows 10 works pretty good, but then again, I don't do much with it. No Linux dual booting or VMs. Just Steam, GOG, and the occasional Code::Blocks.

I'd say it's actually improved quite a bit since I first got it. I used to get some errors and stuff, but not much these days.
 

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This just in - Windows is shit. After attempting to update my windows 10 partition, the involved eternal download time, several obnoxious restarts and long installation time, windows decided to brick itself. While loading it just gives me a message window "can't install update, please restart update". Reboot, loop. Flipping hell.
I downloaded the .iso from the website and installed that.
First time upgrade from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 did something similar, luckily the UEFI or bootmanager (not sure, was on a tablet) had a recover option and it worked on the second try.
Didn't think much of it but compared to my Win7 at work it feels like a breeze. Unless you use menu's, not sure what happened there, same with Window 8, all mixed styles.
 

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@TeDaDeS I'm trying to create a bootable USB stick atm. Worked a treat with the debian iso, but the furthest I've come with the win iso was either a blinking cursor or "this is not a bootable disk".
Lost saturday to what started debugging a flaky wifi connection. Oh how I hate wifi sticks. And Windows.
 

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The problem with Windows bootable disks is that there are many of them, so be sure that it's the correct one. There are images of different integration degrees. And it's a completely intentional thing made for corporate deployment.
Maybe an MS Partner understands it better and will correct me, but my friend who was deploying Windows on enormous amounts of computers in labs said that it became much more complex than old "install once, configure, dd/Ghost from one disk, dd/Ghost to another disk, repeat".
Generally what I understood, there is some half-baked image which contains Windows, but it's not bootable and has no specific drivers. Then there's some program which allows to put the drivers in, some data in, script unattended installation and finally "cook" the image. This image then can be deployed (e.g. by always-incompatible PXE system :) ) to make unattended installations, but drivers usually require a few changes impossible to do anywhere except admin-accessible vendor's application, so "unattended" installation is in fact logging into computers and flipping checkboxes.

P.S.
Great, now my GPD's Win10 disables typematic every time I connect a PS/2 keyboard through USB converter :( .
 
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