What's missing in the USB specification and how to change that?

Djoga'Ro

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Ever expected something to have been specified by the USB Implementers Forum, but had to find out they missed it?

I've got two things so far.

a) A device class USB switch or device sub class Host Hopping Hub

KM/KVM switches seem to be a mess since USB. If you employ a standard wired keyboard and a standard wired mouse, you're good with any emulating KM/KVM switch, but else it's trial and error. Since it's not specified, host don't know the concept of a switch that spans a subtree of devices, that can be afk for a bit. So there are very simple switches, where the host you're not working on thinks the devices got disconnected, since the host polls and no one answers, and the host you switch to thinks the devices just got connected and initializes them all - everytime. At least they're transparent. Then there are emulating switches, that play the host for your keyboard at the keyboard port and for your mouse at the mouse port. Towards the actual hosts they play keyboard and mouse and retweet your input to them and report "nothing happened" to the still polling hosts your currently not working on - but they only do standard keyboard and mouse.
When you look for more capable switches, you'll find terms like TTU (True Transparent USB), True USB, and DDM (Dynamic Device Mapping). But don't try to find out, what they actually do and can do. It'll drive you crazy. I tried. I'm crazy. And found nothing.

b) Keyboards emitting Unicode or UTF-8 characters/values

If you've got a programmable keyboard and think "Well, I want the capabilities of the layout Neo2, but I don't want the host to need to know anything other than en-us. So for everything you can find on the en-us layout I'll have the board emit scancodes as usual and for everything else I emit UTF-8. Then I can use every USB-capable machine - even BIOSs - and on machines, that know the full USB HID standard, I get to use all my magic.", you'll head out to find the methods to do so, and will see, it's not been specified. Why not? God damn it! Of course, you can build a keyboard that does whatever, but then your users will need your special drivers. It'd be such a simple yet powerful addition.

Second question, how to get useful stuff specified?

In my cases, regarding:

b) I had found some discussion online, where some ones wanted exactly that specified by the USB-IF. IIRC, it would need a proper draft submitted by a member company and backed by two (?) additional companies. And I think, those discussing were saying, the companies they work for, might be willing to do just that. I don't know, what came of it - can't find the discussion anymore.

a) Haven't found anything about getting something like that specified. As if I were the first to think of it, which I cannot believe, since there are KVM switch manufacturers out there struggling to come up with better workarounds. What I'd like to see:
Would it be too far fetched to specify USB Switch or Host Hopping Hub and a proper protocol, so that a switch could go "Oi, host! My gang's off to play with another. Stay tuned!" Then host would know not to senslessly poll the affected devices and not to deem them disconnected. It could also be made possible - via proper protocol - for the host to answer "Do whatever, but device XYZ has to stay with me!" in case XYZ is mass storage you're writing to or something. Or, when you switch back, host: "Oi, device! You just laid with another. Let's do some synching regarding your state!". Or, "non-active" host: "Oi, switchy-thingy! Let the user know, the kitchen's on fire here!" Or - tying in with b) - specify new buttons like KM Switch Command Key and while we're at it VM Host Command Key - so essentially zoom-out-of-scope command keys.
I'd say, that would make for a sophisticated new generation of KM/KVM switches of Awesomeness - or rather of Common Sense, damn it.


Let's hear, what you'd like to see and what battle plans you got in store to get the USB-IF to do something useful! Regarding the latter I fall a bit short. :/
 
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