Use Open Source? You're A Pirate!

[dflemstr]

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EPIC richard stallman whin
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The best troll I ever saw, I think. Way to go!

 

[Jourdy288]

Spoiler

^He's smiling because all of those are pirated copies.^

 

[WizardStan]

<Linux Vid>

Ok, THAT was a cool commercial, and did a pretty good job of summarizing open source: what one person knows benefits all.

 

[mali]

 

[Jeffery Mewtamer]

I will not deny that open source is a communistic business model, and a damn good one at that. As for piracy, various open source products have allowed me to forsake proprietary products that I had to pirate due to lack of income.

Also, if I was in a position to make it happen, every computer in every public school and government office across America would be upgraded to Linux.

A proud FOSS user and a proud member of the Libertarian Left.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I will not deny that open source is a communistic business model, and a damn good one at that. As for piracy, various open source products have allowed me to forsake proprietary products that I had to pirate due to lack of income.

Also, if I was in a position to make it happen, every computer in every public school and government office across America would be upgraded to Linux.

A proud FOSS user and a proud member of the Libertarian Left.

1. "Upgraded"? If by "Upgraded" you mean "no one would know how to use them and nothing would ever get done"
i guess you could retrain everyone anyway, i mean hey whats a couple trillion more dollars to add to what would be the largest restructuring in the history of US public education (barring maybe segregation)

2. Libertarian Left is a oxymoron, just like "Intelligent Libertarian"
have fun voting ron paul, though, i guess.

 

[sam fisher]

Wait... when did Linux replace my plumber and start acting as my private jet?

 

[LineOf7s]

Obvious Troll is obvious.

 

[Klaus]

I will not deny that open source is a communistic business model, and a damn good one at that. As for piracy, various open source products have allowed me to forsake proprietary products that I had to pirate due to lack of income.

Also, if I was in a position to make it happen, every computer in every public school and government office across America would be upgraded to Linux.

A proud FOSS user and a proud member of the Libertarian Left.

1. "Upgraded"? If by "Upgraded" you mean "no one would know how to use them and nothing would ever get done"
i guess you could retrain everyone anyway, i mean hey whats a couple trillion more dollars to add to what would be the largest restructuring in the history of US public education (barring maybe segregation)

2. Libertarian Left is a oxymoron, just like "Intelligent Libertarian"
have fun voting ron paul, though, i guess.

I sense some kind of moron...

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I will not deny that open source is a communistic business model, and a damn good one at that. As for piracy, various open source products have allowed me to forsake proprietary products that I had to pirate due to lack of income.

Also, if I was in a position to make it happen, every computer in every public school and government office across America would be upgraded to Linux.

A proud FOSS user and a proud member of the Libertarian Left.

1. "Upgraded"? If by "Upgraded" you mean "no one would know how to use them and nothing would ever get done"
i guess you could retrain everyone anyway, i mean hey whats a couple trillion more dollars to add to what would be the largest restructuring in the history of US public education (barring maybe segregation)

2. Libertarian Left is a oxymoron, just like "Intelligent Libertarian"
have fun voting ron paul, though, i guess.

I sense some kind of moron...

oh really pal? lay it out for me, why am I a moron? Or do you just write off people as morons or trolls when you don't want to face the truth?

 

[Klaus]

I should have shortened the quote:

Libertarian Left is a oxymoron.

I sense some kind of moron...

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I should have shortened the quote:

Libertarian Left is a oxymoron.

I sense some kind of moron...

Sorry, just because Noam Chomsky calls himself a socialist libertarian (Something I myself identified with back when i wanted to be all EDGY instead of just being a plain liberal or progressive) doesn't mean it's valid

I'm a Right Communist, myself!

 

[Jeffery Mewtamer]

1. "Upgraded"? If by "Upgraded" you mean "no one would know how to use them and nothing would ever get done"

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with modern distributions of Linux and other cornerstones of the FOSS movement. No one in my family noticed when I replaced Internet Explorer with Firefox or when I replaced MS Office 2003 with OpenOffice 1.2. My computer illiterate girlfriend can operate my Linux PC without any problems. The biggest hang-up on switching my entire family to Linux is that SolSuite runs like cold molasses under Wine and the best Linux-native competitor is vastly inferior.

I could not see the shift from Windows to Ubuntu or a similar distro being any more disorienting to the average user than the shift between different versions of Windows. Not to mention that since most distributions are more efficient than Windows, superficial hardware upgrades could be avoided.

2. Libertarian Left is a oxymoron, just like "Intelligent Libertarian"

I take it you are among those who have difficulty separating the economic principles of communism from the totalitarian social policies of Stalin and Mao, or maybe you are confusing Universal Left with American Left, which is actually right-of-center.

Also, would you mind explaining how "Intelligent Libertarian" is an oxymoron? To be completely honest, I have seen more intelligent arguments for Libertarianism than for Authoritarianism.

I'm a Right Communist, myself!

Okay, now I know we are using incompatible definitions of Left and Right.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I take it you are among those who have difficulty separating the economic principles of communism from the totalitarian social policies of Stalin and Mao, or maybe you are confusing Universal Left with American Left, which is actually right-of-center.

Also, would you mind explaining how "Intelligent Libertarian" is an oxymoron? To be completely honest, I have seen more intelligent arguments for Libertarianism than for Authoritarianism.

Nope, considering I have a minor in pol sci I don't think I have trouble confusing those! I don't know how you jumped to stalin or mao, though.
Regarding intelligent libertarian, of course there's more intelligent arguments for libertarianism than authoritarianism. It doesn't matter, though, because they're both incredibly stupid as is any extremist philosophy or system.

As for the rest, I don't think you quite understand the logistics of switching- the fact that you compared it to you getting your family to use it shows that. I was hardly referring to simply the end user.

 

[Username]

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Mahatma Gandhi


I think OS has been at the second stage for a while and has slipped into the third in recent years.

“Only a degree removed from the animal.”

Mahatma Gandhi (on africans)

The funny thing is, when I first read the post quoting Gandhi, I was actually going to post about his hatred for black people.

 

[bustaballs]

I know open source has a tendency to be linked to socialist ideals, but I also think it's an example of the free market in action. When companies can't compete with huge, crushing competitors, they route around it and find another way to reduce costs and compete. Most FOSS isn't state-owned: it just takes price elasticity to its logical conclusion and uses free as a stick to beat its competitors with (would you ever accuse Google, which gives its main product away for free, of being anti-capitalist?).

Socialism and communism revolves around absolute government interventionism and force. Open source is ANYTHING but socialism. It's one of the most perfect examples of freedom that I know of.

The thing is, the world has forgotten what capitalism and free-markets really are. Today, in America, we have corporatism which is not even remotely close to capitalism. Free-markets means zero or minimal government intervention at all. It means an absolute level playing field for everyone. Instead, big corporations and banks are propped up, central banks create artificially low interest rates that lead to huge financial crisis, specific companies and products are subsidized, and then there are things like absurdly high taxes on everything imaginable and trade embargoes and sanctions on ENTIRE FOREIGN COUNTRIES (which have NEVER done any good historically). Outside of all of that, there are licenses and extreme regulation that prevents anyone except the moderately wealthy from really even getting a business started.

My point is, there's little to no free-markets anymore and it's basically just giant corporations running the show and kicking the little guys in the nuts. Open source is a perfect idea of competition that anyone can participate in and it strikes a harsh blow to those giant corporations. Open source is ANYTHING but socialism.

 

[sixtyfifthbit]

Socialism and communism revolves around absolute government interventionism and force. Open source is ANYTHING but socialism. It's one of the most perfect examples of freedom that I know of.

Authoritarianism revolves around absolute government interventionism and force. Soviet Russia is under communist authoritarianism. You can have a fully democratic socialist state; it just doesn't work well, because socialist systems work best when every member knows and cares about all the other members - nearly impossible for any group above, say, 20 people.

The thing is, the world has forgotten what capitalism and free-markets really are. Today, in America, we have corporatism which is not even remotely close to capitalism. Free-markets means zero or minimal government intervention at all. It means an absolute level playing field for everyone. Instead, big corporations and banks are propped up, central banks create artificially low interest rates that lead to huge financial crisis, specific companies and products are subsidized, and then there are things like absurdly high taxes on everything imaginable and trade embargoes and sanctions on ENTIRE FOREIGN COUNTRIES (which have NEVER done any good historically). Outside of all of that, there are licenses and extreme regulation that prevents anyone except the moderately wealthy from really even getting a business started.

My point is, there's little to no free-markets anymore and it's basically just giant corporations running the show and kicking the little guys in the nuts.

You can't have a truly free market. What you (and many others) define as a "free market" is a power vacuum - absent a de jure government, the leading corporations will grow to tremendous power and become the de facto government, enacting the same (or greater!) level of corporatism we see now. What we need is a government by the people, and for the people - even if that means our representatives are picked from the populace at random (which is what the Athenians did - they knew a voting system would only put the most popular in power).

Open source is a perfect idea of competition that anyone can participate in and it strikes a harsh blow to those giant corporations. Open source is ANYTHING but socialism.

Open Source almost doesn't fit into economic systems at all, because the concept of scarcity almost doesn't exist in it's domain, and O.S. takes advantage of those lack of scarcities.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I know open source has a tendency to be linked to socialist ideals, but I also think it's an example of the free market in action. When companies can't compete with huge, crushing competitors, they route around it and find another way to reduce costs and compete. Most FOSS isn't state-owned: it just takes price elasticity to its logical conclusion and uses free as a stick to beat its competitors with (would you ever accuse Google, which gives its main product away for free, of being anti-capitalist?).

Socialism and communism revolves around absolute government interventionism and force. Open source is ANYTHING but socialism. It's one of the most perfect examples of freedom that I know of.

The thing is, the world has forgotten what capitalism and free-markets really are. Today, in America, we have corporatism which is not even remotely close to capitalism. Free-markets means zero or minimal government intervention at all. It means an absolute level playing field for everyone. Instead, big corporations and banks are propped up, central banks create artificially low interest rates that lead to huge financial crisis, specific companies and products are subsidized, and then there are things like absurdly high taxes on everything imaginable and trade embargoes and sanctions on ENTIRE FOREIGN COUNTRIES (which have NEVER done any good historically). Outside of all of that, there are licenses and extreme regulation that prevents anyone except the moderately wealthy from really even getting a business started.

My point is, there's little to no free-markets anymore and it's basically just giant corporations running the show and kicking the little guys in the nuts. Open source is a perfect idea of competition that anyone can participate in and it strikes a harsh blow to those giant corporations. Open source is ANYTHING but socialism.

yes i forgot the only point of licenses and regulation is to keep the small man down!
every corporation should be able to do what they want, no holds barred! fuck net neutrality, for example! I want comcast to charge me more to go to gp32x than to google!
furthermore, I've had it with those bitches complaining about "FDA standards" or when the government issues recalls for toys full of lead (or hell, GHB!) no regulation!
and I've had it with people trying to get more work into america, and less outsourcing! if it's all a level playing field, everyone knows without government incentive the cheapest way to produce things, bar none, is in foreign countries! and hell, with no regulation or licenses, we can say it's made in the us anyway!




you're a fucking idiot


ps: open source is socialism. (not that I have a problem with it. contrary to what people may think, I love open source software. I just hate richard stallman-esque fat neckbeard linux circlejerkers)


also atari_eric made the only non-stupid post in this thread (including me)

 

[lulzfish]

POLITICS FIGHT!

 

[bustaballs]

Wow. A lot of hate from ignorant people (not you atari). Whatever. I'm not here to argue with people who haven't the slightest clue as to what they're talking about.

@atari: We're definitely going to disagree on the free-markets idea. Austrian economics definitely proves free markets are the only way to have a functioning and sustainable system at all. I highly recommend reading into some authors like Ludwig Von Mises, Frederick Hayek, Murray N. Rothbard, and Henry Hazlitt ("Economics In One Lesson" is a great book for newbies to economics) if you're interested in learning about real world economics.

Though, I understand when you speak of socialist democracy. Yes, many countries all over the world have adopted socialist policies including the USA. Yes, it does sometimes work in very small communities.

Those interested in open source's impacts on the economy and it's intended principles might also be interested in looking into a neat project started by anarchists called the really really free market. It's sort of similar to the idea of open source except it involves real life goods.

http://www.reallyreallyfree.org/

Edit:

so·cial·ism (sō'shə-lĭz'əm)
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Karl Marx often used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably.