She's dead Jim

[thatgui]

My Pandora is gone.. now I am sad

 

[rygD]

Details?  Will it be getting repaired, or is it dead for good?  Are you going to be getting another, or wait for a Pyra?

 

[thatgui]

Well, I guess she did not die the most gruesome death, she drowned in chocolate milk. But to be exact, I don't know if some (usable) life is still left in her: I took her apart cleaning everything carefully, then let all parts for 24h in a (closed,) big bowl filled with rice. I reassembled her and she seems to boot up, but no picture is showing and she does not react on inserting SD-Cards or keyboard presses, but does react on the on/off switch.

My current diagnosis points to a dead LCD panel, unfortunately I made a not so clever move and threw most of my "leisure budget" at gog.com and the rest on that extremely stupid "Interstellar", so no money left to order a new (or used one) from ED for now. With Christmas beeing already at our doorstep and the fact that I got five kids to feed (well not exactly, but maybe you get the qoute), I fear that this situation won't change till end of Jan/2015

 

[rygD]

she drowned in chocolate milk.

That was unexpected, and is probably one of the best liquids I have heard of killing electronics.

five kids

I am guessing one of them killed her.  Not as glamorous as "I was playing [game] and [something really important] and my Pandora slipped out of my hand, falling in extremely slow motion until finally landing in my chocolate milk" or something like that, but kids make it more understandable, if they are the culprit(s).

I checked the prices of LCDs, and I see why you need to hold off.  Maybe you can save a little for a used one, if that isn't too much.

Best of luck, and sorry to hear it.

Edit:  I guess I missed the quote...

 

[thatgui]

I am guessing one of them killed her.  Not as glamorous as "I was playing [game] and [something really important] and my Pandora slipped out of my hand, falling in extremely slow motion until finally landing in my chocolate milk" or something like that, but kids make it more understandable, if they are the culprit(s).

Actually I would have liked your version better, but it was all my fault: I left her in my backpack with a bottle of chocolate milk, which was not fully closed, so small drops could still escape it, so it must have been quite "dramatic" with the milk level in the backpack slowly rising over night.

Edit:  I guess I missed the quote...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_dhjmSp30jc?feature=oembed

 

[Night]

Don't know if this will help, but I once acidentally fell along with my smartphone into the sea. I thought it died on me at first, but after i took the whole thing apart and submerged both the motherboard and the screen in distilled water for a night or two, it came alive (although somewhat retarded).

I got it to work okay after reflashing the firmware a few times and even though It's a bit slow at times i still use it today.

 

[rygD]

I left her in my backpack with a bottle of chocolate milk

Wow, so it was your fault.  You can still blame the kids.

which was not fully closed, so small drops could still escape it, so it must have been quite "dramatic" with the milk level in the backpack slowly rising over night.

I will check the video when I am not the only one awake.

I once acidentally fell along with my smartphone into the sea.

"A bird took it out of my hand and I jumped into the air and grabbed the bird and fell into the water."

 

[Mr_Loon]

Was the Pandora switched on when it was submerged in the milk?

If not then the problem could be with incorrect reassembly or an inadequate clean. I'm no expert here but logic to me says that submerging an electronic device in chocolate milk should not be fatal as long as all the milk has been removed and the device is 100% dry during reassembly.

Good luck.

 

[FBnil]

she drowned in chocolate milk

Chocoholization

 

[klapse]

I don't think 24 hours in rice is nearly enough to fully dry wet electronics, as water will creep into crevices and remain there for a long time. I did have success drying a cellphone once, 36 hours in an oven at 50°c

 

[TrashyMG]

Milk is slightly acidic and not to mention pretty smelly once spoiled, you need to clean up what you can of it. I'd suggest taking it apart, take out the PCB and give it a rinse with isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) Suggest getting anything with 70% alcohol or more.

Milk prob isn't acidic enough to ruin anything for a while.. but if left there who knows what prolong exposure would do.

 

[levi]

I'd be more concerned about the sugar crystallizing out of the drying milk.

Regarding the cleaning process, I wonder how the ZIF connectors and the screen cables were cleaned. You could simply wipe off the actual LCD cable from the LCD, but cleaning the LCD cable that runs through the hinge would be trickier, since you shouldn't submerge the speakers, but you still want to get everything out of what ZIF connector.

Submerging it in distilled water shouldn't be necessary though IMO. As Trashy says, propan-2-ol is a good way to go.

 

[rygD]

Edit:  I guess I missed the quote...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_dhjmSp30jc?feature=oembed

I will add this to my list of important things to remember. 

 

[Glyph Reader]

I keep on imagining the bottle of chocolate milk crying tears of lactose with the realization that even though you kiss it every once in a while, your true love was the small black/silver magic box.  Forever were your eyes set upon it, rubbing the nubs and various keys with unconcealed delight.  Through out the night it cried, until she could cry no more. 

How could you, thatgui!  How could you be so heartless and cruel.  Even in its darkest hour, you did not comfort the crying bottle of delicious, delectable chocolate milk; instead, you took that despicable black/silver box and played with it all day.  Just know that you can always play with a box, but you can never keep the milk fresh forever. 

...what in the world did I just write!?

-Glyph Reader

 

[rygD]

Just know that you can always play with a box, but you can never keep the milk fresh forever.

My cats would drink a bunch of the milk, then go play with a box for a bit, then maybe run back and get some more milk.  Kids do that, too. 

 

[thatgui]

Was the Pandora switched on when it was submerged in the milk?

I am pretty sure I send her to sleep the last time I used it, I suspect that a small short circuit switched her on, as the power light looked too bright. But I only gave it a very quick looking while ripping of the tape from the battery compartment in a panic.

I don't think 24 hours in rice is nearly enough to fully dry wet electronics, as water will creep into crevices and remain there for a long time. I did have success drying a cellphone once, 36 hours in an oven at 50°c

 

take out the PCB and give it a rinse with isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) Suggest getting anything with 70% alcohol or more.

 

I'd be more concerned about the sugar crystallizing out of the drying milk.

Regarding the cleaning process, I wonder how the ZIF connectors and the screen cables were cleaned. You could simply wipe off the actual LCD cable from the LCD, but cleaning the LCD cable that runs through the hinge would be trickier, since you shouldn't submerge the speakers, but you still want to get everything out of what ZIF connector.

As part of my job is tech support and we have a rather slack policy about fluids on desks, keyboards and notebooks with fluid damage are popping up regulary in my department, I think I am already quite practiced in that field. We already have a big can of isopropyl, highly absorbant tissue, cotton swabs, cans of pressurised air (well its not really air, but some kind of gas, maybe propane) and rice, so what I did was:- taking the Pandora completely apart, I also removed the display cable, which was quite challenging/frustrating, also opened up the LCD casing

- removed most of the sticky fluid with tissue and cotton swabs

- tried to blew out every corner with pressurised air

- rinsed the pcbs with the isopropyl

- took a break from it (work was already piling up on my desk) for about 7h

- put everything in the rice bowl for ~24h

I think the only thing I did not do, was seperating the touchscreen layer from the screen, but I could not see any fluid between them. Submerging the speakers wasn't really a concern at that point, as they where already fully submerged in chocolate milk for several hours at that point.

...what in the world did I just write!? 

-Glyph Reader

something that made me smile, thanks !

 

[Hồng Thất Công]

Well, at least your Pandora case won't ever crack again as its calicum level is higher now...

 

[Granitehead]

cans of pressurised air (well its not really air, but some kind of gas, maybe propane) and rice, so what I did was:

Propane seems like a rather... interesting choice to me. Probably nitrogen? Nitrogen should be cheapest and is absolutely harmless.

 

[Binky]

cans of pressurised air (well its not really air, but some kind of gas, maybe propane) and rice, so what I did was:

Propane seems like a rather... interesting choice to me. Probably nitrogen? Nitrogen should be cheapest and is absolutely harmless.

Agree. Puffing flammable hydrocarbons onto electrical equipment seems like a bad idea.

 

[rygD]

Sounds fun to me.