Don't forget the Azure eco-system. That's a big one too (competing with AWS and such)
Raspberry Pi OS Accused of 'Phoning Home' To Microsoft
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JDTAY
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Bah, you're both forgetting Xbox.
It might not be turning a profit quite yet, but with all that Microsoft has poured into it, and how popular GamePass is, it's bound to make some money eventually.
It might not be turning a profit quite yet, but with all that Microsoft has poured into it, and how popular GamePass is, it's bound to make some money eventually.
levi
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Maybe, but given Intel, Google and Facebook are regularly in the top ten list of kernel developers it seems to me that most linux users have learned to hold their nose until something starts tracking them.Of course telemetry is enabled in MS build, it's the vanilla build of VSCode
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This is just the standard allergic reaction to seeing MS name associated with Linux.
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Because they all have legitimate reasons for their contributions to the kernel, all of them profit massively by all sorts of kernel improvements, it's in their own interest to become active themselves without a hidden agenda. Not to mention that Google actually allows their employees to spend a certain amount of their paid work time on working on an open source project of their own choice instead.
On the other hand, Microsoft's first contribution (Hyper-V support) was immediately abandoned by them even though it was one of the few things for which they even had a legitimate reason to keep maintaining it. That's not how you build up trust in a community that you just joined.
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Totally agree. Their reason to be there is money, nothing else.
MS was doing R&D to "E.E.E." Linux. It worked. Underneath Azure there's a stripped Linux. And now that Azure won out, all should go to that:
Migrate Hyper-V VMs to Azure with the Migration and modernization tool - Azure Migrate
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Whoa. Microsoft Is Using Linux to Run Its Cloud
Microsoft has admitted to something that used to be unthinkable: using Linux to run some of its own operations.
E.E.E. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish)
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Ok, maybe the Desktop is not the last resort of Microsoft 
. Indeed I totally forgot about XBox, although I played with one just yesterday . Azure may be Microsoft, but it will soon all be ruled by a small cute bird which is better at swimming than flying .
I would have also found it better to just install VSCodium instead of VSCode and maintain it in the raspbian repository, but keep in mind that other open source projects ask for tracking, too. At least I remember opting out on something. I can't remember if it was libre office, Firefox or VLC Player. It was just user statistics tough, which I usually disable, but I still find them tolerable (doesn't mean I like them) if it brings the project forward.
. Indeed I totally forgot about XBox, although I played with one just yesterday . Azure may be Microsoft, but it will soon all be ruled by a small cute bird which is better at swimming than flying .I would have also found it better to just install VSCodium instead of VSCode and maintain it in the raspbian repository, but keep in mind that other open source projects ask for tracking, too. At least I remember opting out on something. I can't remember if it was libre office, Firefox or VLC Player. It was just user statistics tough, which I usually disable, but I still find them tolerable (doesn't mean I like them) if it brings the project forward.
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That one's opt-out. Didn't help, though. Otherwise it would have become more moddable.
It's not an allergic reaction microsoft are a disease. They fester, spread and pollute our lives. Of course their primary objective is to maximize shareholder return, but how they go about it is and always has been completely underhand. Pretending to embrace open standards then twisting them with incompatibilities to their advantage. We've seen this so many time.
Completely uninnovative for a the biggest tech company in the world. Indeed they hold technology back and embarass me as a technologist. My daughter has had to install excel and powerpoint on her ipad for distance learning. Computers can be so creative and empowering but this is just business junk. Has not evolved in 20 years. I swear they lost the source. This is not what computers are about.
They completely milk corporations to the tune of hundreds of billions a year. They never fix any bugs. Make everything so god damn hard, so we sign up for even more, and nothing changes. Every monday half my team can't login for hours because of security patches gone wrong.
Vs code is what it is because it's part of their long term strategy of maximising profits. When they see the opportunity they will charge for it. It's just another tentacle.
They run linux on their cloud because they are forced to. Their bean counters say it will contribute to their profits somehow.
Linux is by and for freedom loving hackers. I'll accept contributions from the borg if Linus is ok with it.
Conclusion: don't use vs code on principle. Makes no sense on Linux. Linux is the anti-microsoft.
levi
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I used to be angry that Excel was just a clone of Lotus 1-2-3. Visicalc was the first spreadsheet and got a lot of it spot on on first out of the gate, but 1-2-3 was the first spreadsheet to get everything right. Of course, since microsoft copied Lotus, it's got worse with the addition of visual basic and clippy. Of course, Libreoffice Calc is just a clone of the right bits of Excel. but at least it's open source.
I thought they fixed bugs (not necessarily correctly) on Tuesdays. I mean, Patch Tuesday is a thing amongst the commercial software vendors. Perhaps the company delays those patches till the weekend though.
what? stay angry. i like you levi.
levi
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I just limit my exposure to it these days. It doesn't pay well to remain permanently angry about something.
ClockworkCoder
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John Lyden seems to be pretty content about it.
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