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The problem is Link is the only person who has any legal claim against Craig and he doesn't seem enthusiastic about chasing him at all. And I can't say I blame him. As much as I think Craig needs to face the music for once I strongly suspect he's going to get off Scott-free once again.

After abusing and insulting me and others repeatedly for making this call many months ago, you now claim it was "clear at the time". You're a real class act. Craig is a liar and a thief who will happily let others take the fall for his own dishonesty. That's not demonizing him, that's calling a...

I forgot to say earlier, I would happily give up my refund to be used to take legal action against Craig. A couple of others have also mentioned they'd do the same. Perhaps it's worth looking into Link?

You're missing the point. It was *after* Link had to step in and close the project down that he gave Craig the benefit of the doubt. I stand by what I said, that was utterly stupid. And most backers were not familiar with Craig's past dishonesty and incompetence until much later in the piece...

That Craig is a bald faced liar and a fraud is also known in these forums. But I thought you were trying to explain away what happened as incompetence, rather than what it was. My misunderstanding :)

That would be nice if any of it were true. You have no idea whether Craig actually used the all the money he was given for the ICP2 on the project. And the evidence (circumstantial it may be) is more than enough for me to be certain he didn't. This isn't just the unfortunate failure of a startup...

Thanks for the update Link. Here's the thing, we've been lied to and placated with vague and misleading updates for over a year by Craig. When you stepped in it's natural for people to be a little weary of anything anyone involved in the project says. When you promise transparency then follow up...

It's certainly looking that way. Ryan had been in contact with the Attorney General of Vermont, who in turn had been trying to contact Link with no response whatsoever. Link hasn't communicated directly with anyone here for months, as far as I'm aware he's only responded once to comments on...

That's a false distinction which the entire of academia would disagree with.

Back to the much more interesting off-topic topic. This article about a NASA funded study describes a potential (and likely?) outcome of continuing to have blind faith in capitalism and the status quo. Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

I'm liking the new direction of this thread, it had become way too toxic, even for my liking. Our current capitalist, consumer driven system can't last. As the price of producing goods trends toward zero, along with the man hours required to produce them, capitalism becomes less and less a...

No one is going to f*ck up anyone and Link is certainly not going to be ruined, stop being a drama queen. Misrepresent this all you like, make up excuses for people all you like (you're very good at that) but ultimately it's just a difference in opinion which you seem to be incapable of dealing...

Exactly. There are differing and conflicting opinions on what should and shouldn't be done here. That's not going to change so why waste time getting all ranty and upset about it. 

  I'm choosing to do something about this, it's not some emotional need like you're suggesting. When I get screwed over I make a decision as to whether if it's worth my time to pursue it. In this case I've decided that it is. Why does that bother you so much? Perhaps you and Moxie need to...

Moxie, Link isn't answering questions, he's ignoring them. You can say differently all you like but it's simply not the case. What you are suggesting, just as you consistently suggested while the ICP2 project was falling apart, is to give the benefit of the doubt and wait and see. You were...

It's not convenience, it's the only option. And at then end of the day, it's how business works.  As for the updates, your question has been asked and answered before. People have asked many questions which Link has chosen to ignore. All they want is answers. I don't think that's too much to ask.

In this scenario the only legal recourse most of us have is with Link. Link has recourse with Craig which he should be exercising. If he's not, he's a fool, but that's his own choice. Suggesting I'm putting convenience before morals is both baseless and pretty damn offensive.  About the only...

That plan hasn't exactly worked too well for us so far. Link has completely failed to engage with the backers in any meaningful way. He's sticking to monthly updates and ignoring questions, just like Craig did. I am by no means suggesting Link is in any way a fraud like Craig but it sure seems...

What a load of crap. I can't help but agree with Ryan, it looks like Link is doing his best to distance himself from this as much as possible. He's obviously preparing us for the refund (if any) to be minimal and the opt-in looks like an attempt to minimize the number of refunds that have to be...

My view does differ from Ryan's in that I don't believe Craig set out to rip people off. I think his intentions were good at the outset, but then he started to fleece the project, for what reasons I neither know nor care. Ultimately he took too much to finish the project and bailed. I have no...