Windows Sucks. . . Is Linux Better?


Fluffy, what's with all the posts? I can't make hide-nor-hair of what you're trying to say.

Also, mandrake does exist -- the products that were made by mandrakesoft before the merged with connectiva and changed their name. I have some of them, and they say mandrake right on them. It's just that the company had a name change. Don't focus on tiny, tiny little things that other people say to try to make your point more valid.
 
iignotus posted on Sep 17 2005 at 12:29 AM said:
Fluffy, what's with all the posts? I can't make hide-nor-hair of what you're trying to say.

Also, mandrake does exist -- the products that were made by mandrakesoft before the merged with connectiva and changed their name. I have some of them, and they say mandrake right on them. It's just that the company had a name change. Don't focus on tiny, tiny little things that other people say to try to make your point more valid.
Hia,

Thanks for letting me know that

TTFN,
Love,
Clare.
 
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You do know that only the first part of that post was directed toward you, right? The mandrake clear-up was for Cyclops. I'm still not sure what you were saying in all those posts, could you compile them together please? Thanks.
 
I like linux for many reasons. Two of the biggest reasons are because its free and it runs better (yes, i know "better" isn't a technical term :) ).
If you are planning on getting windows legitamately it will cost you hundreds of dollars in software alone! You need windows itself, you need microsoft office, you need a firewall (and I wouldn't trust sp2's firewall, its simply terrible IMHO), you need antivirus, you need anit-spyware, and you will most likely need to buy some other programs depending on what you're using your computer for. On linux, you can get everything you need for free. And it runs BETTER than the windows programs you have to pay for!
 
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free or given free with hardware. Remember that most of the major linux apps (gimp, openpoffice) are ported to the Win32 platform. Windows users just have more choice in software.
 
yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 06:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free
Warez?
yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 06:50 AM said:
or given free with hardware.
That doesn't matter, as the price of that software is added to the cost of the machine. If the software didn't cost money, your machine would've been cheaper.
yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 06:50 AM said:
Windows users just have more choice in software.
They do?!??! Linux has the widest range of applications out there. Unless you mean games.
 
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iignotus posted on Sep 17 2005 at 03:47 PM said:
yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 06:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free
Warez?

yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 11:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free or given free with hardware. Remember that most of the major linux apps (gimp, openpoffice) are ported to the Win32 platform. Windows users just have more choice in software.
 
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declaration posted on Sep 17 2005 at 12:45 PM said:
iignotus posted on Sep 17 2005 at 03:47 PM said:
yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 06:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free
Warez?

yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 11:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free or given free with hardware. Remember that most of the major linux apps (gimp, openpoffice) are ported to the Win32 platform. Windows users just have more choice in software.
Yea your post served no purpose at all, declaration. Yaustar still never said if the programs on his system were all Open Source efforts or included with the hardware, so that's why I asked.
 
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iignotus posted on Sep 17 2005 at 07:51 PM said:
declaration posted on Sep 17 2005 at 12:45 PM said:
iignotus posted on Sep 17 2005 at 03:47 PM said:
yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 06:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free
Warez?

yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 11:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free or given free with hardware. Remember that most of the major linux apps (gimp, openpoffice) are ported to the Win32 platform. Windows users just have more choice in software.
Yea your post served no purpose at all, declaration. Yaustar still never said if the programs on his system were all Open Source efforts or included with the hardware, so that's why I asked.
but where do Warez come into it?
When he says "free" i doubt he means stolen espescially as he talks about open source software in the next sentence.

I just thought you might have missed it.
 
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declaration posted on Sep 17 2005 at 03:28 PM said:
iignotus posted on Sep 17 2005 at 07:51 PM said:
declaration posted on Sep 17 2005 at 12:45 PM said:
iignotus posted on Sep 17 2005 at 03:47 PM said:
yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 06:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free
Warez?

yaustar posted on Sep 17 2005 at 11:50 AM said:
Actually, besides windows, every program on my windwos machines is free or given free with hardware. Remember that most of the major linux apps (gimp, openpoffice) are ported to the Win32 platform. Windows users just have more choice in software.
Yea your post served no purpose at all, declaration. Yaustar still never said if the programs on his system were all Open Source efforts or included with the hardware, so that's why I asked.
but where do Warez come into it?
When he says "free" i doubt he means stolen espescially as he talks about open source software in the next sentence.

I just thought you might have missed it.
Well thanks then, but no I didn't miss it. I figured warez since some of the best software on windows costs money, and saying it's free is a sly way of being technically right with warez on your system.
 
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Unless you are using your computer for very complicated media things (such as the stuff mentioned earlier) linux is GREAT. I find that linux can play everything that windows can and actually does it BETTER. Oh, and its free as well :D

Here's some links to check out for those of you interested in linux:
www.gentoo.org- This is a really nice looking distro of linux.

EDIT:
www.debian.org
iignotus recommends debian over gentoo so i guess I should put that here as well


Linux vs. Windows- This is a nice page comparing windows to linux. Nice for those who are looking into switching from windows to linux

Forbes - Linux rules supercomputers- Article about what operating systems the top 500 supercomputers in the world are running. Linux~300, unix~190, freeBSD~2, Windows-1, others~7.

Linux vs. Windows-viruses- "To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it"

Wine- About microsoft targeting people using microsoft software on linux or unix even though they legitimately purchased the software.

Linux flaws- The 5.7 million lines of code that make up the linux kernel were bug tested by an independent and unbiased company and the company only found 985 bugs. It says that in commercial programs of that size they usually find well over 5,000 bugs.

BTW, do any of you linux users know anything about gentoo? It LOOKS REALLY NICE and I'm considering upgrading. Or should I go for debian? It doesn't look as nice but seems like it might be more functional for me.... Also, i've always preferred the look of gnome but have heard that some people don't like it at all. Are there any major differences between KDE and gnome besides the way they look?
 
www.gentoo.org- This is a really nice looking distro of linux, check out the screenshots!
ROFL please, please, PLEASE don't use that for an argument of Linux being better than Windows.
BTW, do any of you linux users know anything about gentoo?
Yes.
It LOOKS REALLY NICE and I'm considering upgrading.
Please don't. Looks can be (and are) deceiving. Any linux distro in the world can be made to look exactly like what you see on Gentoo's pages.
Or should I go for debian?
Yes, yes, yes, one million times YES.
Are there any major differences between KDE and gnome besides the way they look?
Usability, included programs, size, speed, quality, etc. KDE is worlds better than Gnome in my opinion.
 
iignotus posted on Sep 18 2005 at 01:17 AM said:
www.gentoo.org- This is a really nice looking distro of linux, check out the screenshots!
ROFL please, please, PLEASE don't use that for an argument of Linux being better than Windows.
Its not an "argument of linux being better than windows", its just a link to a distro of linux.

iignotus posted on Sep 18 2005 at 01:17 AM said:
BTW at do any of you linux users know anything about gentoo?
Yes.
Could you please expand on that?

iignotus posted on Sep 18 2005 at 01:17 AM said:
It LOOKS REALLY NICE and I'm considering upgrading.
Please don't. Looks can be (and are) deceiving. Any linux distro in the world can be made to look exactly like what you see on Gentoo's pages.
Thats what I thought until I actually got a distro of linux running. It was a derivitave of debian and either I'm a compete dumbass (yes, its a possibility :p ) or it wasn't very customizable at all.

iignotus posted on Sep 18 2005 at 01:17 AM said:
Or should I go for debian?
Yes, yes, yes, one million times YES.
Could you please tell me why? (not trying to argue, just interested)

iignotus posted on Sep 18 2005 at 01:17 AM said:
Are there any major differences between KDE and gnome besides the way they look?
Usability, included programs, size, speed, quality, etc. KDE is worlds better than Gnome in my opinion.
Could you please explain why? (again, i'm not trying to argue, just interested)


Also, last time I intalled linux I ended up switching back to windows because I couldn't get it to work with my netgear wg111 wireless usb adapter and I can't live without the internet. I tried to get it to work with ndiswrapper but I just couldn't..... But at that time it wasn't on the list of usb adapters that have been tested with ndiswrapper and work. I just recently found a list of them again and this time it says that the wg111 adapter works! But now I can't remember anything that I learned about linux (it was about 1.5 years ago). Is it difficult to use ndiswrapper to get usb wireless adapters working? Also, what linux distro would you recommend to a linux n00b?

Thanks.
 
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For the record, all the programs that i said were 'free' are either open source, freeware, donateware or bundled with hardware.

That doesn't matter, as the price of that software is added to the cost of the machine. If the software didn't cost money, your machine would've been cheaper.
Most of the time its pretty unavoidable so saying it would be cheaper is moot point since I would have the software regardless if I planned a Linux/Window OS.
edit: actually OEM wont have bundled software does it?

They do?!??! Linux has the widest range of applications out there. Unless you mean games.
Why do I think this point would hard to prove either way so why dont we just leave this one ;)

Edit: Gentoo is definitely not the best Distro for beginners since it requires you to compile every program you install.
 
Its not an "argument of linux being better than windows", its just a link to a distro of linux.
I meant this thread in general -- see topic: "Windows Sucks... Is Linux Better?"
Could you please expand on that?
I have tried and failed twice to get a gentoo system up and working. Gentooers will be quick to tell you it's my fault, which technically it is, but gentoo is just a very, very, very niche distribution that I personally see as serving little purpose in the grand scheme of things, unless you're using it on incredibly old hardware.
Thats what I thought until I actually got a distro of linux running. It was a derivitave of debian and either I'm a compete dumbass (yes, its a possibility ) or it wasn't very customizable at all.
Well, I certianly wouldn't say dumbass lol. Stuff like that can be tricky and whatnot if you're not used to it. But window decorations, colors, transparency, text size, wallpapers, etc. -- everything can be configured like that by any linux system that has those things in the first place (which they all can). Gentoo, and linux distributions in general, don't really have anything different in the core from one to the next. It's all a matter of how they put the same stuff together, which debian does the best IMO.
Could you please tell me why? (not trying to argue, just interested)
lol no problem. Debian has arguably the best package system in the world. Debian makes it VERY easy to get any program you could ever want. It downloads it, installs it, configures it and everything automatically with no rebooting neccesary. Debian also has more than 15,000 of these packages readily available at a moment's notice. Furthermore, the Debian installer to actually get the system on your computer is one of the highest quality and easiest ones out there, and has never messed up my system (in fact, it fixed it a few times). There are more things, like stability through the roof, for example.
Could you please explain why? (again, i'm not trying to argue, just interested)
Well, Gnome is faster and smaller than KDE. However, it doesn't look nearly as good, doesn't come bundled with as many applications as a full KDE setup does, and is much, MUCH less stable in my experiences. It twice broke on my system on its own behalf. KDE, the system, has never broke, and only crashes very rarely (e.g, much less often than explorer or gnome).
Also, last time I intalled linux I ended up switching back to windows because I couldn't get it to work with my netgear wg111 wireless usb adapter and I can't live without the internet. I tried to get it to work with ndiswrapper but I just couldn't..... But at that time it wasn't on the list of usb adapters that have been tested with ndiswrapper and work. I just recently found a list of them again and this time it says that the wg111 adapter works! But now I can't remember anything that I learned about linux (it was about 1.5 years ago). Is it difficult to use ndiswrapper to get usb wireless adapters working?
I couldn't tell you, as I used wired networking. However, all signs point to yes, as wireless is becoming rapidly more supported by linux in general.
Also, what linux distro would you recommend to a linux n00b?
Vanilla Debian (not a proper name, just the generic version you get from debian.org) or Ubuntu or Mandriva, in that order (of recommendation :p )
Most of the time its pretty unavoidable so saying it would be cheaper is moot point since I would have the software regardless if I planned a Linux/Window OS.
Absolutely, but on a utopian plane of thought, it's quite unfortunate.
Why do I think this point would hard to prove either why so why dont we just leave this one
Heh, works for me :)
 
I have tried and failed twice to get a gentoo system up and working. Gentooers will be quick to tell you it's my fault, which technically it is, but gentoo is just a very, very, very niche distribution that I personally see as serving little purpose in the grand scheme of things, unless you're using it on incredibly old hardware.

I use gentoo now, I wouldn't use anything else. I do think it is different from other distribuitions. I personally don't think it is your fault that you couldn't get gentoo up and running. Its hard, and does really require some sort of internet access which was tricky for me. Its annoying that the only part of gentoo thats tricky is the setting up, maintaning is a dream, there nothing anywhere can come close. There is going to be an installer( I don't think anyone really learns anything by setting anything up manually)http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/
Its not a very very very anything its 9th at distrowatch at the moment http://distrowatch.com/. Gentoo I cannot imagine working well on anything by fairly recent hardware, by the nature of what it is. Its actual benefits are stability with bleeding edge packages in a meta-distribution, with the best support IMO. Although as a first toe into linux. I would find it hard (with lots of very)to recommend.

Well, Gnome is faster and smaller than KDE. However, it doesn't look nearly as good, doesn't come bundled with as many applications as a full KDE setup does, and is much, MUCH less stable in my experiences. It twice broke on my system on its own behalf. KDE, the system, has never broke, and only crashes very rarely (e.g, much less often than explorer or gnome).

Is it true that gnome is faster than KDE, I'm not sure it is. I use XFCE, nowerdays and I've not noticed any speed improvements. Even windows(fresh install) is quite nippy. I think computers have got so fast, I'm not noticing speed as much. The only time ever I have been impressed by how fast something is was bare 95 running on a modern laptop, It shifted.
 
I used whoppix (now whax -> iwhax.net) for some time and im very happy with it :).
I also have debian 32bits version installed in a virtual machine running on winxp.
But now I want to setup dual boot again, but I dont know what to choose, debian 32bits or debian 64bits edition.
Is the 64bits version any faster, or does it have any other advantages?

(I have a amd64)
 
aapje89 posted on Sep 20 2005 at 02:04 PM said:
I used whoppix (now whax -> iwhax.net) for some time and im very happy with it :).
I also have debian 32bits version installed in a virtual machine running on winxp.
But now I want to setup dual boot again, but I dont know what to choose, debian 32bits or debian 64bits edition.
Is the 64bits version any faster, or does it have any other advantages?

(I have a amd64)
Lots of things, especially media HW does not work on 64 bit. I need to wipe and reinstall 32bit for satellite TV cards to work.
 
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