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There was a blip of posts when the strike off email came out.  Those in the UK and possibly EU noted they could file and posted in some other thread.  Those outside the region had no recourse.  Let it die off.  It does not benefit Ed or the future of these boards.  I do believe the screwed have...

This makes it look worse for the pandora selling companies, if it was not the choice of the purchaser as to which store to use.

It was not obvious when the first survey came out that refunds would not come as Ed was going to try to support that even though he did not have an obligation to provide them.   When the numbers became known, it became quite obvious.  At that point I donated my pre-order... at least removes the...

It may be a bit bold saying chktan ordered from the wrong place.  I only recall one place to order from off of openpandora.org when I ordered. chktan, if you are in the UK or maybe the EU, you might be able to file in small claims court against Craig/OP Ltd.  If Ed is still doing reduced price...

Likely less good going to OP LTD.  I received copies of OP LTD being struck off paperwork.  This the company is folding. In the text of the email it noted they did not have enough money to even liquidate.

I decided to search OP Ltd.  This link has up to 2012 info.

I'm glad it is seen that way... in my mind as it should.  It would really be good if Craig acknowledged it as he is really benefiting.   It is really sad that ED is the one cleaning this up without Craig.  While it might not have be accepted as easily, Craig could have offered such a solution...

Have you looked at iCP2 Kickstarter?  Looks like another mess.  I would not count on that.   I think there was a comment that it wasn't fair that some of the survey people were getting units for less than ED's new suggestion.  These were the ones that were willing to pay more than others, but...

IP is often limited to patents and the like, but can also include non-patented thing such as the design, know how on how things are built.  These can include tooling, etc.  The NRE would include things like tooling, setup charges, one time design fees.  If a newer tool was derived from a...

I can only think that the reason to post like this is to inflame the pre-orders.  I know it does that for me.   Ed/Craig, I think the survey was done badly.  It should have been made clear if there were options that were not going to be supported, and which ones they were.  People may have...

I assume you are still behind on PMs as mine is sill unread. While it might start out a bit awkward, i think you'll find the last part pleasent. Doob

I understand your point, but see it a bit differently.  For one the refunds are for pre-orders.  Second, the pre-orders that want units are liabilities of Craig's company same as the ones that want refund.  Third, from what has been posted I believe the original pre-orders paid less than the...

My first language is English, or as my British friends anyways  corrected me, American English.   You are correct that you did not say illegal,  but a legal and liability nightmare.  I may not understand the legal and liability issues and would love an explanation.  I agree there is another...

@nagelfar on the unit verse refund weighting,  yes it is my interpretation.  Only  ED could provide the meaning of what he meant at that point in time or we could go look at the thread to see if there is any more context.  As for refunds I  think I stated that I would expect these to be after...

@nagelfar   I don't disagree with the first line except it being the important part.  I think the excerpt around the word try needs to be considered in context.  It equal weights units and refunds.   I do not argue the "liable" term as I reiterated in that previous post. ED was involved in...

the different way -- see below in red from a post by ED, post #284 on this page .  Not that this really does not obligate ED as he notes, but does open the door on refunds as well as filling craig's pre-orders.  It is likely cheaper to refund in many cases if the original pre-orders were really...

This was answered differently in a previous thread.  I don't think people would ask for a refund with not possibility of receiving one.

This is really the best view of this project from several points of view.  The preorders feeling helpless, ED working hard and long on trying to work his way through it. preorders airing their frustration is understandable and their right, but is not helpful to a resolution unless they want to...

This topic has been covered so many times on these boards.  I don't think the order of getting units is a rich/poor thing, but a method these guys are trying to make the cash flow work. If this was a large company, they would likely run a FIFO process or the product line  would fail and people...

Ed,  Good news but incomplete. I assume people waiting for P2 have to wait for it's development if ever.  But what about refunds?  Are refunds after all the above or just out of luck? doob