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We are entitled to a pandora- that's because we bought it.  No one said we were entitled for one from Ed.  We should get one from Craig, and that is who is to blame. But it's hardly idiotic to pay for something, and then expect to receive that which you paid for.

After having several kids, earning my doctorate, making an international move for research reasons, I can't afford any of these options.  I had a real use for the pandora when I ordered it, but now I don't really have a use for it.  I eventually bought another handheld system for one of my kids...

Exactly.  So since I'm in North America, according to the official pandora ordering instructions, I was supposed to order through the store I did.  Also, you can't tell that there are only 2 companies.  Either there is one with 4 geographic distribution points, or there are four businesses. ...

Maybe you should go read my post above showing what the order page in 2008 looked like.

Also, not that it's any of your damn business, I requested a refund- and I know I'll never see that money.  So you're welcome for supporting the pandora from day 1 (allowing it to get funding) and knowing I'll never get anything in return.

Because it's my job to inform random strangers of legal actions I'm taking?

And just so people can actually see (without the styles), here's the page from Dec. 2008 from archive.org. http://web.archive.org/web/20081204060820/http://www.openpandora.org/ Go down to the sept/oct. news.  The website lists the areas and where you should order from.  So the site makes it...

Two things.  Neither shop is ON the pandora site.  There was a very clear ordering distinction at the beginning, e.g., "if you are in north america, order from here".  However, this was not clear that each store was a different company.  I thought they were simply different store fronts setup...

Yeah, it was a joke.  Maybe I should have added a smiley.

That was clear to me too once these forums existed, but it is only clear on the forums.  I don't think it's bad to have a single forum for the device, but the website should make the company distinction.  Although maybe that's not needed anymore since Ed's is essentially the only company now.

Again, where's the talk about reduced refunds?  Other or used devices?  Surely these are cheaper options than funding for a new pandora. And to address the "where are all the preorderers?" question.  Many, like myself, don't visit very often because it's hard to say anything without 100 people...

Can we all just agree that the current Pandora isn't financed by preorders OR the re-investments for the rebirth edition?  Both were capital to begin production, and it essentially took those two rounds to get everything going.  ALL of that money is gone.  The current pandora is financed by...

Although I agree with everything else you said, I do take issue to some degree with your last statement and tone.  Without the original preorderers, all the R&D and CC stuff would have never happened.  The investors were able to restart production because all the designs had been worked out...

I'd be happy with almost any system replacement.  Better to get something than nothing!  That's something I mentioned when I took the survey that no one seemed to care about.  I'd gladly accept a $100 refund and call the other $300 a donation to the community. Give me a gp2x- at this point I...

No offense to the other commenters, but I occasionally feel that these discussions are hard to have when people who are not in Craig's queue are commenting.  If you haven't waited 5 years, then you probably shouldn't tell others how to feel about it.  I don't have the money, and I've personally...

But it's not a moot point because I'm now in a category that I wouldn't be in.  I answered the survey based on what I wanted and not what I was willing to do even if I was unhappy about it.  For the record, I'm a second day preorderer from 2008 who had to give up about 3 holidays (BD, Christmas...

I'm also a bit confused about the survey.  I thought it was a "survey"!  Not a final choice.  It seemed like you all wanted a general idea of what the preorderers wanted and then you were going to set up the store with the final options you decided on.  The survery also didn't specify that the...

I agree.  I was just reiterating that the refund was offered in the survey, which I assume means that those people will just wait until pandora is profitable again. And whether it's easier to send a product or partial refund would depend on whether they have all the pandoras in stock, and if...

But it was one of the survey options.  There were different upgrade options, a wait it out option, and a refund option.  Plus, wouldn't giving a $200 refund be cheaper than sending out a >$200 unit?

Not to derail this thread, but as far as a monetary refund, the only preorder survey option was for a full refund.  There were several upgrade pricepoints which has been discussed, but it might have also been helpful to help them clear the queue to have options like $200 refund, $100 refund, or...