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2 months. As always.

I think that if Craig do not start cooperate again until ED clear his pre-order list, pressure has to be done to Jacqueline. Not because she is guilty at all, but quite the opposite. Because she still acts normal. And I just hope that ... there were not *so much* abusing of Craig's pre-order...

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that it won't stop Craig doing it whatever he wants. Somebody should explain to that fellow that he is sinking deeper and deeper, every second that he does not respond (& admit he is doing sooo wrong)... And that there is only one correct way out of this mess -...

I remember that. And many suggestions that came out at that thread, before project even started for real... (e.g. wi-fi community votes for). I was not a member, just a stalker :-) Truth is that without CR, there would not be a Pandora starting at that time -but maybe few months later should...

You mean all that mess? Yes, for sure. Beside, he actually picked-up all ideas from one thread at gbx forum or so... It was something like "what would be your dream game platform" or so. He just picked up many suggestions and came up with his very own project. Beside, many many people added...

I agree with you 100%. Just want to make it straight - as a conclusion: What ever Craig did *great* in past to make Pandora project possible (e.g. he started it, invest money), it does not mean that it vindicates mess we have now, nor his irresponsible attitude right now. IMHO he did much...

@Timstertoo Thanks, but: not a problem at all, it was not personal.

Btw I suggested that we should come up with our own list... months ago. Whenever I said about it, or that I feel milked, or that Craig is a cheater... well, "I was rude", paranoid and commonly ignored. OK, now I will ask something and probably will be ignored (again). Then, in a few months...

I'm sure that I'll get my Pandora last. Quite randomly, not because of my postings here, for god sake. :rolleyes:

You're right. I have to find some other way of violence to use. Physical is so XX century. ZZAP! Seriously: It was just a paraphrasing nonsense that C said. As I explain some post before. Thank you for your kindness. You really do not need to - but I suppose you realize that act like this is...

Exactly. Just... C has not to provide this information to _us_ (publicly) - but it won't hurt much more. It should be given to ED, and he will decide what and how to do. His business plan _works_, obviously. So he can do it again. Investors should know what to expect. Donors - maybe. Rest...

ROFL good one.

But maybe here lays the problem, don't you think? One against all? In this situation? And why do you guess that "he fears it would cause further distress and anger." Quite the opposite. This pointless hiding makes distress and anger. After all, what he has to lose? Confidence? Credibility...

Could you ask your friend, please, to get give some real numbers of left pre-orders to ED? No irony, no flame here. Just, as you asked for "constructive ideas about how to improve the pre-order / refund situation". This is what is really, badly, needed. Maybe it is time for plan C. Right now...

You're wellcome. Please, get some stuff to burn all witches around too. Because, when somebody suck your blood for years and act as a good fellow, this is quite allright. But if somebody paraphrase somebody else - to show how _not_ _acceptable_ original statement is - this should be taken as...

Agree with you. Please, don't get me literally. I did not mean to hurt anybody. This is just (bad joke) expression because I cite/paraphrase Craig (and you did not): This is Craig's explanation why he don't want to give ED exact numbers and list of pre-orders! From a guy who achived to get even...

Agree totaly. He just came to fake around newbies that stray here... "future customers" and soon-to-be-angry ICP2 supporters. To put "cards on the table" and "denounce" "Ed's investors"... so it is "pretty much said what he wanted to say" - to cite himself.

It is kind of mental disease, like kleptomania. You know why C is doing this? Because he can. This forum is prove for this. And ICP2 kickstarter. And future projects... It is not about luck, business model or smartness. He _has_ to do it, no meter how succesfull or rich he is.

I'm pissed off because this freak is gone for months, and now came back to tell us - f*ck you all, blame ED not me. I know that it is show for other people, but I don't want to be part of it (more than I have to). I gave money to Craig, not ED and I did it for this project, not for hearing...