When Will The Xgp Be Officially Considered Vaporware?

[telegramguy]

I know there are videos. I know "news" leaks out every once in a while...

But seriously. When will the xgp be officially considered vaporware? ...at the end of 2009?

 

[Yorper]

I think being as the gamepark website has been dead for atleast the last 72hours, to my own knowledge, makes now more than ever a good time to have a minutes silence for gamepark and their xgp system.

 

[pool34]

It will be considered vaporware once Duke Nukem: Forever is released.

 

[Alex.]

If GP were smarter, they would have kept producing a spiffier GP32: slightly faster processor, SD slot, more RAM, and redesigned case. Provided backwards compatibility with the old model, they would have smoked the GP2X... They got too greedy, in an aimless direction to boot.

- Alex

 

[Zider]

I thought it was already released? There's even a store here in sweden that sells them (altho I never tried actually ordering one). They don't usually sell vaporware, so I'm a bit surprised to read about XGP not being released at all..

 

[Goemon4]

4 months 3 weeks 3 days


thats when (mabey a bit earlier)

 

[bagmouse7]

I think most of us considered it vaporware the day it was announced.
They had a very weak business plan, and they changed what they wanted the XGP to be way too many times.

 

[craigix]

Even if they did make it it would be well out of date now, the next gp2x style handheld would have to be a PSP beater...

 

[MWeston]

4 months 3 weeks 3 days


thats when (mabey a bit earlier)

Are you just messing around or do you really know something?

 

[DaveC]

Even if they did make it it would be well out of date now, the next gp2x style handheld would have to be a PSP beater...

Why? No one buys these things for the same PSP 3D widescreen type games. Different market. They buy them mostly for emulation and ports of PC games. A fancy 3D chip would do nothing for that. All it would need to be is the same screen, same form factor as the GP2X except have a D-pad, more RAM and a faster CPU.

Gamepark was like a rudderless ship, they had no direction with all of those incompatible models.

 

[Orkie]

Why? No one buys these things for the same PSP 3D widescreen type games. Different market. They buy them mostly for emulation and ports of PC games. A fancy 3D chip would do nothing for that. All it would need to be is the same screen, same form factor as the GP2X except have a D-pad, more RAM and a faster CPU.

That's because they can't handle them It isn't a different market at all - a 3D accelerator would allow the existing (rather small) market to grow as a lot of the older systems could benefit from offloading some stuff to that and it would open the market to people who are interested in PlayStation emulators and a lot more PC ports. I don't think you really understand what creates the limits for the GP2X - a lack of RAM isn't really a problem for most things right now. Same thing with CPU speed, though obviously more would be better for a few things.

Along with that, you'd be surprised how many people buy it as an embedded ARM Linux machine, not for playing games at all. I've seen a few on #gp2xdev. I won't even bother to comment on the 'same screen' thing because I know you tend to get really agressive if anybody suggests a different screen would be better :rolleyes:.

I don't see why everybody is so desparate to write the XGP off. If it were just a case of everybody coming to the realisation that it wasn't going to come out, that would be more normal than several threads asking for the XGP to be vapourware! Are people scared of it or something? Something does seem a bit odd about the whole thing. We were having updates fairly regularly at one point but then the only person who had any kind of communication with GP was banned...

Personally, I think GP and GPH are actually the same company anyway (didn't it turn out that the largest shareholder in both companies was the same person?). They probably split to try and keep their vetures separate so that there was little risk of one failure costing the whole company money.

 

[Auritribe]

Even if the XGP came out, I mean..what would be the point? They'd have to have enough third party support to compete with sony and nintendo and I just dont see that the way the market is working right now.

It would really just be a more than likely more expensive GP2X that can play Quake 3.

woooo...quake 3.

Nice novelty but it ends there.

 

[DaveC]

Along with that, you'd be surprised how many people buy it as an embedded ARM Linux machine, not for playing games at all. I've seen a few on #gp2xdev. I won't even bother to comment on the 'same screen' thing because I know you tend to get really agressive if anybody suggests a different screen would be better :rolleyes:.

I don't see why everybody is so desparate to write the XGP off. If it were just a case of everybody coming to the realisation that it wasn't going to come out, that would be more normal than several threads asking for the XGP to be vapourware! Are people scared of it or something? Something does seem a bit odd about the whole thing. We were having updates fairly regularly at one point but then the only person who had any kind of communication with GP was banned...

Well for those wanting a non-gaming oriented linux device there are a few PDAs to choose from. For the screen thing people seem to confuse "different" with "better". Better for what? If these things are going to be mostly used for emus then some weird resolution PSP widescreen makes absolutely no sense. It would make 1:1 in emus too small and add the need to stretch and distort all of the emus and ports and make them look worse. How would smaller or more distorted then we have now be better? Degraded image size/quality sounds like a step back to me.

The XGP was redundant and would have just fragmented the scene further. It was like a PSP without the support. If you want an XGP type device and form factor, buy a PSP and flash the FW for homebrew.

 

[Goemon4]

4 months 3 weeks 3 days


thats when (mabey a bit earlier)

Are you just messing around or do you really know something?

just messin around, but that seems like a reasonable time imo

 

[telegramguy]

Why? No one buys these things for the same PSP 3D widescreen type games. Different market. They buy them mostly for emulation and ports of PC games. A fancy 3D chip would do nothing for that. All it would need to be is the same screen, same form factor as the GP2X except have a D-pad, more RAM and a faster CPU.

I completely agree. After fixing the controller, just more of what the gp2x already does would be good enough for me to get one. That is ... more frames/sec for existing emulators and enough juice for Franxis to pump out a newer more compatible version of mame.

I'd gladly pay another US$200 just for that.

 

[frutbunn]

If GP were smarter, they would have kept producing a spiffier GP32: slightly faster processor, SD slot, more RAM, and redesigned case. Provided backwards compatibility with the old model, they would have smoked the GP2X...

As a newbie GP/GPH user, I think had Craig been selling a faster GP32 (GP32+ ?) as well as the GP2x at his site. I think at the time, I would have probably gone for the GP32+ over the GP2x. It would have felt safer and had more software. Shame GP dropped the ball so to speak...

 

[Ravnos]

The "faster GP32" was just a regular BLU (or BLU+, I'm not 100% sure) that had been overclocked. It was more like the GP2X "Power Pack" than a new/modified GP32.

 

[frutbunn]

@ Ravnos:

I meant, if GP had released a real successor to the GP32, I used GP32+ as an example, I didn't know there really was one!

 

[Sofox]

I thought it was already released? There's even a store here in sweden that sells them (altho I never tried actually ordering one). They don't usually sell vaporware, so I'm a bit surprised to read about XGP not being released at all..

Are you serious?
Can you give a better description of it and possibly a photo or two, there are a lot of handheld consoles out there and I'd be surprised if the one you're seeing is an XGP.
Still possible though, but we'd appreciate confirmation.

 

[Zider]

I thought it was already released? There's even a store here in sweden that sells them (altho I never tried actually ordering one). They don't usually sell vaporware, so I'm a bit surprised to read about XGP not being released at all..

Are you serious?
Can you give a better description of it and possibly a photo or two, there are a lot of handheld consoles out there and I'd be surprised if the one you're seeing is an XGP.
Still possible though, but we'd appreciate confirmation.

https://www.gametronics.se/ListProducts.aspx?cat=190

(I hope I got the URL tag thingies right)

It says XGP but doesn't mention gamepark tho, so it might be another product with the same name.. There's no mention of gamepark in the gp2x info either on the other hand