SuperTux/SuperTuxKart

[Silent-Hunter]

If you do, I swear I'd love it!

 

[Silent-Hunter]

Supertux is already ported.

Awesome! How come it isn't in the app store?

 

[milkshake]

because the appstore isnt kept up to date as much as we would like it to be.


things will change in the coming months though you will see.

 

[richiz]

Supertux is already ported.

Awesome! How come it isn't in the app store?

LOL, this again.


If our app store was a human being I'd shoot it in the face and call it a kindness.


At this moment in time I'd stick to the wiki.


http://pandorawiki.org/Main_Page

 

[Wootson]

Supertux is already ported.

Awesome! How come it isn't in the app store?

LOL, this again.


If our app store was a human being I'd shoot it in the face and call it a kindness.


At this moment in time I'd stick to the wiki.


http://pandorawiki.org/Main_Page

I appreciate all the time and effort that went into the "AppStore", but I'd rather see EvilDragon's File Archive succeed. With just a few modifications that could very well be the definitive place for all things Pandora. Well, it already is to be honest (multiple updates a day).

 

[#1 GameMaster]

Supertux is already ported.

Awesome! How come it isn't in the app store?

I've been sticking to the wiki page because it has stuff on it that the app store and ED's archive doesn't have like Teeworlds which I've been hoping that it would be ported soon since I'll be getting my Pandora today.

 

[second exodous]

Supertux is already ported.

Awesome! How come it isn't in the app store?

LOL, this again.


If our app store was a human being I'd shoot it in the face and call it a kindness.


At this moment in time I'd stick to the wiki.


http://pandorawiki.org/Main_Page

I appreciate all the time and effort that went into the "AppStore", but I'd rather see EvilDragon's File Archive succeed. With just a few modifications that could very well be the definitive place for all things Pandora. Well, it already is to be honest (multiple updates a day).

I still hope for a repository coupled with a software manager personally. Anyone that uses Linux can agree with me on that, it is lunacy to go to a site and check for updates when modern software managers alert you to updates of the software you have on your system and install everything for you. Computers are about automation, it is wise to utilize that as much as possible. We don't live in the 90's anymore, surfing for software updates is a waste of time when that can be done by the system.


Oh wait, is that what ED is making? Kinda scanned over your post and now I see EDs name and am thinking he might think the same thing.

 

[Wootson]

Supertux is already ported.

Awesome! How come it isn't in the app store?

LOL, this again.


If our app store was a human being I'd shoot it in the face and call it a kindness.


At this moment in time I'd stick to the wiki.


http://pandorawiki.org/Main_Page

I appreciate all the time and effort that went into the "AppStore", but I'd rather see EvilDragon's File Archive succeed. With just a few modifications that could very well be the definitive place for all things Pandora. Well, it already is to be honest (multiple updates a day).

I still hope for a repository coupled with a software manager personally. Anyone that uses Linux can agree with me on that, it is lunacy to go to a site and check for updates when modern software managers alert you to updates of the software you have on your system and install everything for you. Computers are about automation, it is wise to utilize that as much as possible. We don't live in the 90's anymore, surfing for software updates is a waste of time when that can be done by the system.


Oh wait, is that what ED is making? Kinda scanned over your post and now I see EDs name and am thinking he might think the same thing.

An official "repository" for the Pandora would of course be the best thing. Even better than the Wiki, Appstore, and the File Archive combined. This way updates just come rolling in automatically and you could maybe specify where a new .PND could be saved. I read somewhere that this is actively being researched behind the scenes, but I'm not very sure if we can expect such a thing to be realized within 2011. There is still lots of other work to be done first and setting up a repository takes quite some effort.

 

[second exodous]

An official "repository" for the Pandora would of course be the best thing. Even better than the Wiki, Appstore, and the File Archive combined. This way updates just come rolling in automatically and you could maybe specify where a new .PND could be saved. I read somewhere that this is actively being researched behind the scenes, but I'm not very sure if we can expect such a thing to be realized within 2011. There is still lots of other work to be done first and setting up a repository takes quite some effort.

When this was being talked about a few years ago before the Pandora even had a final board I wondered if the OP them could just take some others distors and port it to the Pandora. I'm not sure how Angstrom's is set up but if they could just utilize that somehow and have their software manager only access their servers loaded with PNDs. . .


I know it is no small task but why not use someone else's GPLd system and modify it for what the Pandora needs?

 

[WizardStan]

When this was being talked about a few years ago before the Pandora even had a final board I wondered if the OP them could just take some others distors and port it to the Pandora. I'm not sure how Angstrom's is set up but if they could just utilize that somehow and have their software manager only access their servers loaded with PNDs. . .


I know it is no small task but why not use someone else's GPLd system and modify it for what the Pandora needs?

Angstrom has a repository system. EvilDragon has been saying they want to leverage it for quite some time for firmware upgrades.


The problem is that no repository system (that I'm aware of) handles distributed installs effortlessly, they all expect that when you install something, you're installing it once and it is going to be always available. Opkg can be told to install something to different directories (ie, on an SD card) but there are special cases that cause problems for an automatic update system. What happens if there's an update and you've removed the card on which it was installed? What happens if you want to install it to multiple cards? What happens if the SD card becomes corrupt and you have to reformat just that card? What happens if you install something to the SD card from a different computer? Or if you just want to borrow someone else's SD card to play some game they've been raving about? All of these issues can be solved, but not by existing repository systems: something new would have to be created, or at least something old would need to be hacked apart enough to add these types of features. It hasn't been done for the sole reason that it is no small task, and no one can seem to agree on how exactly it should be done.

 

[second exodous]

When this was being talked about a few years ago before the Pandora even had a final board I wondered if the OP them could just take some others distors and port it to the Pandora. I'm not sure how Angstrom's is set up but if they could just utilize that somehow and have their software manager only access their servers loaded with PNDs. . .


I know it is no small task but why not use someone else's GPLd system and modify it for what the Pandora needs?

Angstrom has a repository system. EvilDragon has been saying they want to leverage it for quite some time for firmware upgrades.


The problem is that no repository system (that I'm aware of) handles distributed installs effortlessly, they all expect that when you install something, you're installing it once and it is going to be always available. Opkg can be told to install something to different directories (ie, on an SD card) but there are special cases that cause problems for an automatic update system. What happens if there's an update and you've removed the card on which it was installed? What happens if you want to install it to multiple cards? What happens if the SD card becomes corrupt and you have to reformat just that card? What happens if you install something to the SD card from a different computer? Or if you just want to borrow someone else's SD card to play some game they've been raving about? All of these issues can be solved, but not by existing repository systems: something new would have to be created, or at least something old would need to be hacked apart enough to add these types of features. It hasn't been done for the sole reason that it is no small task, and no one can seem to agree on how exactly it should be done.

Yeah, I see your point. I guess it would have to be PND specific and for each card. Maybe it could scan the card you're using and to determine what you have and check to see if there are updates. Maybe run the program and select which card to run checks on. Or maybe have it done automatically when the net is connected and a card is inserted. Maybe it wouldn't need to check every time, it could do an 'emerge sync' operation once per day and have a list of what is currently in the repository and check to see what each card has in the back ground. Basically have two, one for what is on the nand, the system, and one that is for PNDs. For PNDs it would have to look for specifically names, you couldn't rename them at all, and it would have to scan the /pandora directory only. If it looks at what PNDs you have then you can still install things manually and not have to worry about it.


Yeah, it is a hairy problem.

 

[Tempel]

I still hope for a repository coupled with a software manager personally. Anyone that uses Linux can agree with me on that, it is lunacy to go to a site and check for updates when modern software managers alert you to updates of the software you have on your system and install everything for you. Computers are about automation, it is wise to utilize that as much as possible. We don't live in the 90's anymore, surfing for software updates is a waste of time when that can be done by the system.


Oh wait, is that what ED is making? Kinda scanned over your post and now I see EDs name and am thinking he might think the same thing.

An official "repository" for the Pandora would of course be the best thing. Even better than the Wiki, Appstore, and the File Archive combined. This way updates just come rolling in automatically and you could maybe specify where a new .PND could be saved. I read somewhere that this is actively being researched behind the scenes, but I'm not very sure if we can expect such a thing to be realized within 2011. There is still lots of other work to be done first and setting up a repository takes quite some effort.

We're working on it


I know, another source for PNDs (well, it will be once it's all done). But the client-side software manager that I'm concocting reads repo data in an open format. If Craig or ED implement that spec on the app store or file archive, the client will have no trouble handling them. Furthermore, milkshake's site has the ability to scrape the app store and file archive, so anything posted in either should make it on to his site (presuming they're under a license allowing redistribution).

 

[second exodous]

I still hope for a repository coupled with a software manager personally. Anyone that uses Linux can agree with me on that, it is lunacy to go to a site and check for updates when modern software managers alert you to updates of the software you have on your system and install everything for you. Computers are about automation, it is wise to utilize that as much as possible. We don't live in the 90's anymore, surfing for software updates is a waste of time when that can be done by the system.


Oh wait, is that what ED is making? Kinda scanned over your post and now I see EDs name and am thinking he might think the same thing.

An official "repository" for the Pandora would of course be the best thing. Even better than the Wiki, Appstore, and the File Archive combined. This way updates just come rolling in automatically and you could maybe specify where a new .PND could be saved. I read somewhere that this is actively being researched behind the scenes, but I'm not very sure if we can expect such a thing to be realized within 2011. There is still lots of other work to be done first and setting up a repository takes quite some effort.

We're working on it


I know, another source for PNDs (well, it will be once it's all done). But the client-side software manager that I'm concocting reads repo data in an open format. If Craig or ED implement that spec on the app store or file archive, the client will have no trouble handling them. Furthermore, milkshake's site has the ability to scrape the app store and file archive, so anything posted in either should make it on to his site (presuming they're under a license allowing redistribution).

Woohoo! Things will get a lot easier for the end user when you guys get this up and running I'm thinking. It will be a great selling point for the Pandora if you can just say 'seamless upgrades of all software on the system'. This is how all computers should be now a days, 3rd party software should just connect to the OS's software manager and update that way. When I started using Gentoo I thought 'why the heck doesn't Microsoft make updating every piece of software, theirs or others, this easy?' I feel so 90's when I help windows people update crap on their PC.