March 13th Is Coming Up.

[Phawx]

Is everything still on track? Also, when will the keymat start MP?

 

[Game_over]

the key mat's been in mass production for awhile now, I can't recall about the actual keys, but then again they must have been as well. Everything looks as if it's going ridiculously well. check the blog.

 

[Mjlink]

I had thought there are a few small parts that we are waiting on?
I didn't intend to hijack the CNC thread w/ this ?
But here it seems more appropiate.

I/r to testing CE/FCC, MWeston will be sending his complete Pandora for this?
That's deductive reasoning @ work.

I'm trying to figure out what shipping address to use for when the first Pandoras ship.

I hope the keyboard has been finalized. So painful.

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[Asmo]

the key mat's been in mass production for awhile now, I can't recall about the actual keys, but then again they must have been as well. Everything looks as if it's going ridiculously well. check the blog.

The keys are physically part of the keymat - they just aren't on the prototype we've seen already, they've never said mass production had begun (though the impression was often that the crucial mould had begun), the main site actually says:

* Create the keymat mould (takes 20 - 25 days)
* Design the final keyboard layout (needs to be finished when the mould is ready)

only then can a 'final' mat enter mass production. Assuming there isn't another feeding frenzy over the final layout!

 

[Lorkile]

I thought we hadn't seen the final keyboard layout yet...Guess this means I need to start keeping up with the community blog.

 

[gruso]

Too many threads on this.

We haven't seen the final layout. What ED means by "(needs to be finished when the mould is ready)", is not that they're going to wait until the mould is ready before finishing the layout, but that they must have the layout finished by the time time the mould is ready. There's no additional time involved.

 

[jbr]

Hey, speaking of the deadline... I sent in my money by mail, and I haven't received any confirmation yet. Should I have, by now? I sent it in about a week ago...

 

[gruso]

A week isn't that long for snail mail + processing + reply. If you're local give them a call, otherwise get in touch via gmail/gtalk.

 

[Mjlink]

"Too Many threads on this"?
Pff

At this point in the game, it might be good to have an update of sorts.
I feel like a ghost everytime I ask a ? Or like a ninjaprimate.

My concerns are valid. Are we 30 days from the 1st hundred shipped or 60 or 60+.

Anyone who has prepaid has a right of sorts to know. After all, we are your investors.

Some mod or unofficial blogger can harass me all they want.

I'm not going to PM devs to death. But we've invested our money and/or credit for the past six months.

It would help if someone had some testicular fortitude to state a possible date once again, whether it's met or not, we are informed or unformed regardless.

Personally, I'm in the process of moving, so any forewarning I can give OP Team gets me my Pandora with minimal hassle.

Thank you!

 

[Alpha2]

No one is going to give you an exact date because no one knows how long it's going to take to get to you. You could be 30days from the first shipped pandora but you could be 60 days from YOUR shipped pandora.

The problem with the keypad is that there's never going to be one that everyone loves so they're taking the best suggestions to heart and finishing the design. at this point there's no more time for arguing with the community because otherwise the ship date slips even further into limbo and the layout needs to be printed as soon as they're ready to be printed. so you can understand if they choose not to start another 10 threads about where a comma should go by showing it to us 3 days before the point where there's no more room at all for debate.

 

[Mithrildor]

No one is going to give you an exact date because no one knows how long it's going to take to get to you. You could be 30days from the first shipped pandora but you could be 60 days from YOUR shipped pandora.

I dont think the first ones get their Pandora in 30 days. I think the first one will get his in 50 days (with the shipping counted). The mould still of the case still has to be produced. I think Craig didnt tell the company who are making the case , that they are happy with the prototype and they can start producing the mould. After that. It still requires 1 day to finish the cases and then they still need to be shipped to where the pandoras are build and after that all the pieces still have to be assembled.

So my guess is end april/begin may

 

[gruso]

This is how I assume it'll play out from here. It's just a (very loose) timeline interpretation of ED's todo list, brought to you in amazing ASCII.


[MWESTON'S CNC]
............................[- FCC/CE TESTING -]
............................................................[---------------- MAKE KEYPAD MOULD ----------------]
............................................................[------------------ MAKE CASE MOULD -----------------]
.............................................................[------------- FINALISE KEYPAD LAYOUT -------------]
.........................................................................................................................................[START PRODUCTION]

Time: ......?.......................7 days........................................30 days.....................................

 

[arrrgh]

This is how I assume it'll play out from here. It's just a (very loose) timeline interpretation of ED's todo list, brought to you in amazing ASCII.

[MWESTON'S CNC]
............................[- FCC/CE TESTING -]
............................................................[---------------- MAKE KEYPAD MOULD ----------------]
............................................................[------------------ MAKE CASE MOULD -----------------]
.............................................................[------------- FINALISE KEYPAD LAYOUT -------------]
.........................................................................................................................................[START PRODUCTION]

Time: ......?.......................7 days........................................30 days.....................................


Do they need FCC and CE certification to make the keypad? :huh:

 

[Mithrildor]

This is how I assume it'll play out from here. It's just a (very loose) timeline interpretation of ED's todo list, brought to you in amazing ASCII.

[MWESTON'S CNC]
............................[- FCC/CE TESTING -]
............................................................[---------------- MAKE KEYPAD MOULD ----------------]
............................................................[------------------ MAKE CASE MOULD -----------------]
.............................................................[------------- FINALISE KEYPAD LAYOUT -------------]
.........................................................................................................................................[START PRODUCTION]

Time: ......?.......................7 days........................................30 days.....................................



At start production I guess:

[-MAKE KEYPADS-]
[-MAKE CASES----]
..........................[---SHIP CASES------]
..........................[---SHIP KEYPADS---]
.........................................................[ASSEMBLE THE FIRST TESTING PANDS]
..................................................................................................................[ASSEMBLE FIRS PANDs]
...................................................................................................................................................[SHIP THEM]
Time: 2 days............5 days..........................5 days...................................................1 day............... 5-7 days


After that: YEAH! WE GOT OUR PANDORA.

So final estimated time: 57 days. We are further away than we all guessed.


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Do they need FCC and CE certification to make the keypad? huh.gif


The whole thing with prototype battery and prototype keypad has to be tested I guess.

 

[gruso]

I don't know tbh, I could be way off the mark. That's just how I read the info (which I think we'll all agree, is somewhat open to interpretation).

 

[arrrgh]

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Do they need FCC and CE certification to make the keypad? huh.gif

The whole thing with prototype battery and prototype keypad has to be tested I guess.

Yes, but I don't think that the keypad will be affected by the CE or FCC at all - I don't see why the keymat will cause the Pandora to fail the test, unless Craig knows something we don't. h34r:

 

[Alpha2]

I said it once before Assuming everything goes right it's not likely they could even think about shipping the first unit before the end of April and this was going by what they said before the CNC cases came in. I was only saying "could be 30 days" as an example of how floaty the target date is. we coud sit here and nail the schedual down to the hour the first system gets to a mail box but who knows how many hiccups will happen in between with something that dosent have a firm, one stop, manufacturing environment.

 

[Mithrildor]

QUOTE

Do they need FCC and CE certification to make the keypad? huh.gif

The whole thing with prototype battery and prototype keypad has to be tested I guess.

Yes, but I don't think that the keypad will be affected by the CE or FCC at all - I don't see why the keymat will cause the Pandora to fail the test, unless Craig knows something we don't. h34r:

For the same reason the case could make the test fail I guess.

 

[Monk]

QUOTE

Do they need FCC and CE certification to make the keypad? huh.gif

The whole thing with prototype battery and prototype keypad has to be tested I guess.

Yes, but I don't think that the keypad will be affected by the CE or FCC at all - I don't see why the keymat will cause the Pandora to fail the test, unless Craig knows something we don't. h34r:

For the same reason the case could make the test fail I guess.


Look at it not from our POV, or the POV of OpenPandora, but the POV of the CE tester and/or the governing body who specifies that CE testing needs to be done and what that entails.

How "safe" is it, from the POV of the testing body, to accept an unfinished product with 1 or more missing pieces and the assurances of the manufacturer that "there's nothing in the missing parts that will affect the CE test"? forget that we're talking about a rubber keymat and some transparent piping here, to my mind the very concept of passing a product through any sort of CE testing would seem to be to pass IT through the testing procedure, not "most of it".

I could be wrong, but typically in my experience beurocracy has a way of wanting to be precise, and of wanting to approve only what it's actually seen rather than somehting "very closely akin to" what has been seen. So to me it seems likely that CE and/or FCC testing will need to be done on a pretty close to final Pandora.

More specifically, the keymat. How could it cause soemthing to fail? Well, it's a bunch of rubber keys with some electically-conducting contacts to short the relevant parts of the board when pressed. That's how the board can tell what key is being pressed. What happens if there's a problem with the board such that when you press "Q" it shorts out the battery terminal? You arne't going to know if you don't have a keymat... and if you test with a keymat that's not from the final mold WITH the hardened top, you aren't necessarily going to be experiencing the behaviour of the final keymat. Maybe the prototype will short out the battery on the !Q" letter but a final keymat won't (it's EVER so slightly different, so it's the "W" key that shorts your battery out in a fraction of a second, blowing your hand off in the process).

These are not likely scenarios - but then, testing isn't about what you expect to happen - it's about trying to ensure the unexpected DOESN'T happen, from a disinterested professional 3rd party. No-one will pay to test a unit they expect to fail (no-one in their right minds, anyway) but that doesn't mean we can just stop testing as "a waste of time". IMHO.

Ta.

 

[ThaDSman]

Wait, So I still have a chance to pre order? If I do it today? :blink: andora1: