So I have only heard of elite from older people. I totally missed this game. I have played Star Flight I & II (DOS) and Escape Velocity (68K Mac) Unfortunately, it won't work in BasiliskII and the versions for newer macs are not as much fun. Starflight got kind of tedious, but it was cool to go land on planets and the many different alien species said funny things and looked neat. Escape Velocity was a 2D Elite-like game for 680X0 and PPC macs. It was the first open-ended, space exploration, trading and fighting game I'd ever seen. It also had Captain Hector who would at random times nag you to register and, if you didn't for a long time, he'd blow up your ship. Since both of these games, errr, failed to take the world by storm in their day, I wonder: Are there any other obscure, OLD, open-ended space trading/exploration games playable on the many emulated systems for pandora? The 3D stuff in oolite really gives me a headache. It's a nice game, but not my thing. I prefer games more 2D, wordy, and cartooney.