Q: Warranty At 800Mhz?


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Your solution to just not discuss something that obviously needs to be discussed will not solve anything, and provoking the thread to be closed is just stupid
 
GPJosh said:
Since many droid users have been doing this already for a while, this might be all be a fuss over nothing. :)
You don't understand warranty. If the warranty says you can't overclock, and you overclock, the warranty is void. If something totally unrelated to the CPU that was not affected in any way by the overclocking occurs, even if it was previously covered by warranty, it will no longer be fixed for you since you did something that voids the warranty. That is what the original poster wanted to know: will they still fix other things if we overclock the CPU? This is not a fuss over nothing; even if overclocking does not cause any damage, even if CPU runs perfectly fine forever and ever and ever, if you overclock and something else breaks, you are boned.
 
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Craig simply didn't know, that an ARM chip could be damaged by overclocking. The logical consequence would have been to say: "wait a moment, I have to contact the OP Team members to discuss this, and will come back to you". In that light, my introduction of that Asus example was way off the line, but how should I know? I was expecting that Craig just didn't want to talk about it. So I was very wrong. I apologize. It wouldn't have happened if you, Craig, would just have said something instead of trying to cancel my non-existent order.

I really, really hope we can take this embarrassing thread as a chance to improve communication on the boards. Craig, just be honest and I'll gladly help to bias the discussion positively. If we want to be a real community, we should act like one. Im willing to do so.
 
WizardStan said:
If something totally unrelated to the CPU that was not affected in any way by the overclocking occurs, even if it was previously covered by warranty, it will no longer be fixed for you since you did something that voids the warranty. That is what the original poster wanted to know: will they still fix other things if we overclock the CPU?


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mali said:
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Craig simply didn't know, that an ARM chip could be damaged by overclocking. The logical consequence would have been to say: "wait a moment, I have to contact the OP Team members to discuss this, and will come back to you". In that light, my introduction of that Asus example was way off the line, but how should I know? I was expecting that Craig just didn't want to talk about it. So I was very wrong. I apologize. It wouldn't have happened if you, Craig, would just have said something instead of trying to cancel my non-existent order.

I really, really hope we can take this embarrassing thread as a chance to improve communication on the boards. Craig, just be honest and I'll gladly help to bias the discussion positively. If we want to be a real community, we should act like one. Im willing to do so.
offtopic, but why didnt you pre-order for this great device?
 
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I would rescind my post and apoogise for the language I used, but it's now in these damn pyramids.

Actually, I will apologise for my language, Craig.
 
WizardStan said:
This is not a fuss over nothing; even if overclocking does not cause any damage, even if CPU runs perfectly fine forever and ever and ever, if you overclock and something else breaks, you are boned.

The following question is purely hypothetical. I'm an honest guy okay. And yes, sadly I do know my order number...

How willl OpenPandora know that you've been indulging in overclocking if some other non-cpu-component fails?
 
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They could save it somewhere, but you can reflash the internal memory. So yeah, you could totally get away with it, hypothetically.
 
Poem58 said:
Looking at his point of view however, he was working for free to better a product that would make money for the team, in a way he kinda had a right to make the "threat".
Absolutely. He was doing work for free for a for-profit company. He had every right to stop at any moment. (Though, probably not the right to change the license to code he'd already handed over.)

I was just saying that you can't say it wasn't a threat. Because it clearly was.
 
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this thread makes me sad. theres obvious a lot of stresses and frustrations going on with the various problems and its a shame things have gotten so passionate and volatile.

in many ways it makes me wish we were having a very basic (possibly even as basic as the ubuntu for netbooks GUI) as the only provided OS so that work like the PND format and other things could have been more distinctly separated from the project. as work is being doing to provide software and programs for release it is attaching the efforts more to the success of the project. if it was just clean cut an open device provided and then a community allowed free reigns then we would have fewer sad situations like this.

i hope that some time in the future when the dust has settled and we have a few batches out that these kinds of problems go away
 
ashdjones said:
The following question is purely hypothetical. I'm an honest guy okay. And yes, sadly I do know my order number...

How willl OpenPandora know that you've been indulging in overclocked if some other non-component fails?

IIRC most CPUs 'blow' a fuse the first time they are overclocked beyond spec by more than about 5% (Error margin) I'm not sure how you check for this afterwards, but I've know a few people who overclocked some old AMD Durons, fried them, tried to send them back as faulty, got told no because they've been OC'd.

This is x86 though, I'm not sure if the same applies to the particular chips that the Panda use (Esp since they are binned, and the previous story is prior to AMD binning in major amounts if at all)
 
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Kyosys said:
They could save it somewhere, but you can reflash the internal memory. So yeah, you could totally get away with it, hypothetically.

So in other words, there is nothing anyone can do anyway to prove it so it really is up to your honesty? Then the debate is truly over. Just be honest people. It really is the best policy.
 
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They could save it somewhere, but you can reflash the internal memory. So yeah, you could totally get away with it, hypothetically.

This is a problem, as many of us are highly technical. We're the kind of nerds who know that data isn't really gone when you delete it.

What if the technical users don't even believe that overclocking causes damage? You think they'll be honest?

What if someone posts how to modify this hypothetical log file and posts it here? If this forum is independant then knowledge like that cannot be suppresed.
 
depends on how it's implemented and who did it.

also: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1907543
 
WizardStan said:
You don't understand warranty. If the warranty says you can't overclock, and you overclock, the warranty is void. If something totally unrelated to the CPU that was not affected in any way by the overclocking occurs, even if it was previously covered by warranty, it will no longer be fixed for you since you did something that voids the warranty. That is what the original poster wanted to know: will they still fix other things if we overclock the CPU? This is not a fuss over nothing; even if overclocking does not cause any damage, even if CPU runs perfectly fine forever and ever and ever, if you overclock and something else breaks, you are boned.
this brings up a conversation I had a while back on my theory why major manufacturers put limitations on their software to prevent tampering ..and detour piracy. Piracy taken out of the equation here. Companies try their hardest (within reason) to stop you from damaging your device via alternate firmwares etc because of the $$ it costs to repair the brick'd device because some dumbass user was monkeying around with their stuff. OP could just as easily say "you askew from the bundled software... warranty voided" I agree with craigix in that you dick with your gear they shouldn't be responceable for it... period.

Don't be dicking around where your dick shouldn't be and you won't run the risk of catching a VD... i made a rhyme
 
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jb0yx said:
Companies try their hardest (within reason) to stop you from damaging your device via alternate firmwares etc because of the $$ it costs to repair the brick'd device because some dumbass user was monkeying around with their stuff. OP could just as easily say "you askew from the bundled software... warranty voided" I agree with craigix in that you dick with your gear they shouldn't be responceable for it... period.

This was the whole point of the Pandora in the first place though. One of the unique selling points, and is dying right here on this spot (so it seems).
 
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GPJosh said:
Since many droid users have been doing this already for a while, this might be all be a fuss over nothing. :)
You don't understand warranty. If the warranty says you can't overclock, and you overclock, the warranty is void. If something totally unrelated to the CPU that was not affected in any way by the overclocking occurs, even if it was previously covered by warranty, it will no longer be fixed for you since you did something that voids the warranty. That is what the original poster wanted to know: will they still fix other things if we overclock the CPU? This is not a fuss over nothing; even if overclocking does not cause any damage, even if CPU runs perfectly fine forever and ever and ever, if you overclock and something else breaks, you are boned.

Very true, I was thinking about the end user who decides to overclock anyway (knowing full well that this violates the warranty, if that's what the case is). Myself, I'm probably going to keep it at 720 max and buy + replace the board if this does, in fact, fry something. It seems there's really no way to know until some real world testing is done either by OP or us first batchers try for an extended period of time.

Granted there are way bigger issues going on in this thread, mainly the situation and reactions getting way out of control. :p It seems now that things have come down a bit and everyone is talking rationally again, so I'm happy - that's all I was trying to say.
 
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ashdjones said:
jb0yx said:
Companies try their hardest (within reason) to stop you from damaging your device via alternate firmwares etc because of the $$ it costs to repair the brick'd device because some dumbass user was monkeying around with their stuff. OP could just as easily say "you askew from the bundled software... warranty voided" I agree with craigix in that you dick with your gear they shouldn't be responceable for it... period.

This was the whole point of the Pandora in the first place though. One of the unique selling points, and is dying right here on this spot (so it seems).
that's probally why no companies share OP's policy... it gets expensive to be at the will of tinkerers.
 
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I think the most reasonable solution lies somewhere in between. Allow overclocking till a certain value without voiding warranty. Above that value further overclocking voids the warranty. OP won't have a chance to prove if someone went beyond that limit, so it depends on the users honesty to find out. Maybe no Pandora will ever fail because of overclocking and all of this is a non-issue. To block overclocking or to put nifty tricks that save that info to flash is no satisfying solution, because Pandora has been advertised as being overclockable till yesterday. I'm sure the OP team will find a solution we all can live with.
 
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