London riots!


Respect is earned, not a given.

That's a very negative view. I will always start with respect to another person. That person then only gains or loses respect by their actions.


Oh, and regarding the police - Yes, mistakes happen (if in fact they were, who really knows), and sure, mistakes can have quite dire results. There's a big difference between mistakes costing a life and these rioters and looters costing so much more intentionally!
 
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Where's the 'protest' in these -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=327J3ISiVOU


Just one of many muggings as a side dish to the looting. This guy was on his way to the shops, one guy punched him in the face knocking him for six. Then another guy 'helps' him to his feet - so that he and his mates could get at his backpack. Ohers swarm in and empty his pockets.


3 Asian men who were part of a gathering trying to protect their businesses overnight were killed by a hit and run driver - news this morning is saying that the occupants of the car involved (along wih others) made several attempts to raid a couple of places and were thwarted. It appears they then took it out on these 3 and fled.
 
^ Lol, she must really need to go bad!!! :D

No.


The looters currently taking advantage of the situation come from a section of society that is actively disengaged from education. The attitude towards bettering oneself through education is, in the US (from my limited experience) markedly different - applauded, or at least respected. Among the groups we're watching here, being educated is regarded with suspicion. Wanting higher education is seen as being uppity ("think you're better than me?"), possibly also sexually deviant. Even "talking proper" marks you out for a beating in their ranks. They have no political agenda or affiliations. If they watch the news it'll be to see themselves. This is quite literally about taking advantage of a situation and bagging all you can while it lasts.
What's the ethnicity of these people anyway?
 
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What's the ethnicity of these people anyway?

All sorts, though the BNP must be creaming themselves at the footage suggesting predominantly black participants. The long term effects can only be imagined.
 
Holy crap! My internet's been down for the last couple weeks, I haven't watched TV, I don't usually touch newspapers, and so I've been disconnected from the world but... Whoa... I'm in a coffee shop and I'm in shock.
 
What's the ethnicity of these people anyway?

All sorts, though the BNP must be creaming themselves at the footage suggesting predominantly black participants. The long term effects can only be imagined.
The BNP might be creaming themselfs, but the videos do not lie. The asian and black communities here bring the trouble on themselfs alot of the time. Really, what do they expect the rest of the country to think when all we see is them doing this?


This is why I hate all this political correctness that has helped turn this country to crap. People call you a racist if you say what you see.


[edit] Anyone remember the outrage caused by the "spot the white man" video?
 
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I have a song in mind since these days...


London calling to the faraway towns


Now war is declared, and battle come down



London calling to the underworld



Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls



London calling, now don't look to us



Phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust



London calling, see we ain't got no swing



'Cept for the ring of that truncheon thing...
 
how about the smiths panic


Panic on the streets of London


Panic on the streets of Birmingham



I wonder to myself



Could life ever be sane again ?



The Leeds side-streets that you slip down



I wonder to myself



Hopes may rise on the Grasmere



But Honey Pie, you're not safe here



So you run down



To the safety of the town



But there's Panic on the streets of Carlisle



Dublin, Dundee, Humberside



I wonder to myself









Burn down the disco



Hang the blessed DJ



Because the music that they constantly play



IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE



Hang the blessed DJ



Because the music they constantly play









On the Leeds side-streets that you slip down



Provincial towns you jog 'round



Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ



Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ



HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ



HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ



HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ



Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ



HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ



HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ



Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ



HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ



HANG THE DJ, HANG THE DJ



Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ



HANG THE DJ
 
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Another song:


This place (to-own) is coming like a ghost town...


This place (to-own) is coming like a ghost town...






All the clubs are being closed down



This place (to-own) is coming like a ghost town...



Bands won't play no more, too much fighting the dance floor.






Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town?



We danced and sang as the music played, in-a de boom town.
 
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I have a song in mind since these days...


London calling to the faraway towns


Now war is declared, and battle come down



London calling to the underworld



Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls



London calling, now don't look to us



Phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust



London calling, see we ain't got no swing



'Cept for the ring of that truncheon thing...

More to the point I feel.


White Riot


.................


White riot - I wanna riot


White riot - a riot of my own


White riot - I wanna riot


White riot - a riot of my own


Black people gotta lot a problems


But they don't mind throwing a brick


White people go to school


Where they teach you how to be thick


An' everybody's doing


Just what they're told to


An' nobody wants


To go to jail!


All the power's in the hands


Of people rich enough to buy it


While we walk the street


Too chicken to even try it


Everybody's doing


Just what they're told to


Nobody wants


To go to jail!


Are you taking over


or are you taking orders?


Are you going backwards


Or are you going forwards?
 
got to say i am pretty uncomfortable with how right/conservative leaning a lot of the opinions on all this stuff is going. politics over the next year or so is likely to erode social freedoms, as it has been trying to for quite some time, that before has been well opposed. i expect all laws coming into place will do nothing to solve social problems and everything to draw a bigger divide between communities. on a personal level, i am very afraid on changes to immigration laws when i am hoping to marry my girlfriend who lives in america with the hope she can settle here with me. also with the whole blackberry messenger issue, we could see a breakdown of privacy there.


people seem to think we have been too gentle and too liberal but the problem is the opposite in that despite initially having liberal intentions, it has been more symbolic at the beginning but with no desire to actually connect with people further down the line. yes people act on their own free will be socially and culturally, we've been allowing things to head in that direction for too long and its not a "they are intrinsically bad people" thing its a "look at the world we created" thing.
 
Come on, at least hear them out, even if you hate them with a passion. It's the democratic way. The video's only 50 seconds. Yes, the arguments presented by the two girls are absurdly stupid, but at least it'll give you another reason to hate the people behind the riots.
 
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people seem to think we have been too gentle and too liberal but the problem is the opposite in that despite initially having liberal intentions, it has been more symbolic at the beginning but with no desire to actually connect with people further down the line. yes people act on their own free will be socially and culturally, we've been allowing things to head in that direction for too long and its not a "they are intrinsically bad people" thing its a "look at the world we created" thing.


I think there are different kinds how to organize a society and different images of humanity.


1) You can build a society based on trust, the "all people loving and respecting each other, we make this together" left wing utopia style


2) Distrust - "I don't like you and you don't like me so leave me alone" -style


(Generally, some people prefer to trust other people, some are more warily, it depends on varoius factors like certain childhood experiences etc.)


and there also exist two groups of people:


A) Rich, mighty and powerful people who of course want to keep their status


B) Poor people with less influece and access to ressources. They want to change their status.


In theory, democracy shoud compensate and equalize these aspects and interests. Practically the 'group A)' people have used their ressources to corrupt democracy during the past decades (Murdoch!), to gain even more influence in the end. These people also prefer to be among themselves and to isolate from normal society, because they share the same unpopular interests like redirecting public ressources to themselves.. So they prefer the rest of the world being organized in societies based on distrust. (2)) (divide and conquer)


You can see the increasing gap between rich an poor people in that context, as well as the privatisation of public services, the cctv monitoring of public places, the murdoch scandal,...


With the structural transformation of the economy and the decline of the industrial sector, unions and the labour movement lost their importance for the economy. The "establishment" lost its "antipole" and so the compensation and equalization of interests and ressources within western democracies doesn't work anymore. In the UK, it was immediately recognized that the working class lifestyle of the 70s had lost its basis and Thatcher was "appointed" as prime minister. In Germany, Kohl had similar ambitious plans in the beginnig but probably dashed against the federal system, so he had to moderate these plans.


The second assaulting wave against the lower class came in the late 1990 with labouir parties the "establishment" had meanwhile managed to corrupt. I have the impression that this wave hit especially the German labour class with Schröder's so called "Agenda 2010" and the "Hartz laws". Germany had the "Genosse der Bosse" (comrade of the bosses) as chancellor. The UK had a "New Labour" government...


So I agree by 100% with renegadechic. The current developments are the inevitable results of the antisocial policy of the past 30 years. And I expect more incidents to come. :(


The democratic compensation and equalization of ressources and interests has failed during the past decades, it urgently needs refomation.
 
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